casper
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It seams like we have all these gun rights, but when we use them, law enforcement is there to try and nail us for something. Are we not on the same side ?
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It seams like we have all these gun rights, but when we use them, law enforcement is there to try and nail us for something. Are we not on the same side ?
Now, stand back & watch the 'It shouldn't matter' squad try to defend their poor PR skills....
If you are dressed in camo and carryin an AR and are not a member of active military maneuvers perhaps you are making people think negatively about gun owners.
It seams like we have all these gun rights, but when we use them, law enforcement is there to try and nail us for something. Are we not on the same side ?
Thanks Pard.I don't think any of the above posts have addressed what you actually posted.
LEOs in Michigan, generally, have "got the memo" on OC and your experiences normally will be 99.9% free of LEO interaction problems. Generally, you do not need to carry with you a fear that there will be many attempts to "nail" you. Or, as LEOs like to say to each other, "jam you up". Now, that being said, unfortunately due to there being rogue LEOs out there, it is incumbent upon OC'ers to treat LEO interactions cautiously. Be polite, and it's ok to respond to some questions, but you've got to know when to recognize a LEO is on a fishing expedition with you, and you need to politely say to the officer, "Sir, I've got business to take care of, so if you're not detaining me, I have to be moving along." And repeat that.
Most LEOs on the street consider legal gun carriers to be "on the same side" as them, with respect to their view of us as people who respect the laws they must enforce. Again, rookie or rogue officers are a different breed, but they don't represent most LEOs.
One thing that gets me is when the leo says things like, do you think your cool walking around with a gun, or you think it's fun to scare people. Why do they have to be so sarcastic ? :banghead:
One thing that gets me is when the leo says things like, do you think your cool walking around with a gun, or you think it's fun to scare people. Why do they have to be so sarcastic ? :banghead:
Yeah, I thought of that too, but we already proved ourselves worthy by being legal to carry. Theres no reason to keep testing us, it's just not right.Some officers doing this may actually have a problem with OC, but most officers are doing what they call an "attitude test". Many times, people who are impaired or have some reason to fear police contact "flunk the attitude test", as the police say. Flunking the attitude test makes a LEO generally suspicious. They will usually continue the consensual encounter as long as the person lets them, attempting to see whether or not they develop some RAS or PC. They don't really have a problem with OC or you, they just want to see how you handle being stressed a little bit.
I'm not saying I'm OK with LEOs doing this, as it does come off as somewhat rude. But it's not personal most of the time . . . they are just seeing how a "person of interest" to them reacts.
Yeah, I thought of that too, but we already proved ourselves worthy by being legal to carry. Theres no reason to keep testing us, it's just not right.
Upon initial approach, the officer doesn't know you. All he knows is how you react to the attitude test. There is a reason for the attitude test as I explained above. Like I said, I'm not saying it's OK and the reason is good. Just that LEOs sometimes do it, it's mostly not done for personal reasons, and the best thing to do (if you choose to talk to the LEO) is to pass the attitude test.
I've encountered rude cops during OC and traffic stops. I know the frustration you feel, because I've felt it. The feeling, "I don't deserve this attitude from this guy." But what's made it easier to deal with is being educated that it's a tactic they use to detect bad guys, it's really nothing personal against me.
One thing that gets me is when the leo says things like, do you think your cool walking around with a gun, or you think it's fun to scare people. Why do they have to be so sarcastic ? :banghead:
Well, we might be on 'their' side, but I can with confidence say that some of them are not on 'our' side.
This type of verdict is EXACTLY why the Dorner case ended the way it should have, with him in a box instead of in front of 12 idiots.