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    Gun Maker Embargoes New York State

    http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/ind...-also-goes-2a/

    Basically, if we can't sell to New York's citizens, we won't sell to New York State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/ind...-also-goes-2a/

    Basically, if we can't sell to New York's citizens, we won't sell to New York State.
    A++++++ Ralphy .. right on the money

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    Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.
    This is the important part. Oly is just the manufacturer. They really have little say in whether or not NYS agencies get their hardware.

    Unfortunately, there will be plenty of statists that become dealers just to serve that market.

    This is symbolic. It's a great symbol though, and I hope the message is heard, despite the workarounds available to the governments.
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    The manufacturer can tell the distributor to whom they can sell the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    The manufacturer can tell the distributor to whom they can sell the product.
    I don't believe that for a minute. Is it even possible for you to find a cite for that?

    Or are you using the literal definition of "tell?" Sure, they can tell them anything. But is it binding or even known if disobeyed? I don't see how.

    Now a manufacturer or distributor can cease doing business with a distributor or dealer, but that is a different thing altogether, and more will pop up to continue to serve a market if it exists. You will not get everyone to be a patriot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I don't believe that for a minute. Is it even possible for you to find a cite for that?

    Or are you using the literal definition of "tell?" Sure, they can tell them anything. But is it binding or even known if disobeyed? I don't see how.

    Now a manufacturer or distributor can cease doing business with a distributor or dealer, but that is a different thing altogether, and more will pop up to continue to serve a market if it exists. You will not get everyone to be a patriot.
    Couldn't they just not ship forbidden items to any dealer in NY, regardless of the "end user"? Not sure they need to do much more than that.
    If something is wrong for ONE person to do to another, it is still wrong if a BILLION people do it.

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    Re: Gun Maker Embargoes New York State

    They are a manufacturer and a dealer. So I think that they are saying that they will not sell or ship to a dealer that does. And by the way, they make a lot of the parts that the bigger companies use, like bushmaster and dpms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Sure, they can tell them anything. But is it binding or even known if disobeyed? I don't see how.

    Now a manufacturer or distributor can cease doing business with a distributor or dealer, but that is a different thing altogether, and more will pop up to continue to serve a market if it exists.
    The first sentence of the second paragraph cited above explains how things work (you said it yourself).

    If I'm a manufacturer and I'm having someone serve as a distributor of my products, I can certainly dictate the terms of the business arrangement. Ignore my terms, and I'll find another distributor.

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    Okay.

    I inferred from your apparently simplified: "The manufacturer can tell the distributor to whom they can sell the product," that you can dictate the terms of final disposition of an item that you sell to a distributor. You can not enforce it even if you tried, unless you have a contract that you can then take up as a civil breach matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamonK View Post
    They are a manufacturer and a dealer. So I think that they are saying that they will not sell or ship to a dealer that does. And by the way, they make a lot of the parts that the bigger companies use, like bushmaster and dpms.
    If DPMS orders 20,000 BCGs from Oly, and finds out that DPMS later sold 200 of them to NYS, nothing will happen, and everyone knows it.

    Hey, don't get me wrong, this is still a great idea, just don't expect enough dealers to fall in line for it to work. But we can certainly remember who played ball and who didn't and we can shop accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina guy View Post
    Couldn't they just not ship forbidden items to any dealer in NY, regardless of the "end user"? Not sure they need to do much more than that.
    Maybe slime like gun dealers selling to indians in the 1880's will pop up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Maybe slime like gun dealers selling to indians in the 1880's will pop up?
    Always a way around it. Think "Fast and Furious"...
    If something is wrong for ONE person to do to another, it is still wrong if a BILLION people do it.

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    This is excellent, and I will certainly purchase a new AR from them when I can find one available and back to normal price after all of this nonsense has gone away.

    Now, just imagine if every other firearm manufacturer would do the same... NY would have no choice but to rescind all of their unconstitutional legislation in order to continue receiving firearms. This is what I expect from gun manufacturers, because it is the People of these United States that account for their huge profits year after year. If it wasn't for our right to keep and bear arms that is protected by many State constitutions, as well as the US Constitution, they would not be in existance today.

    Thank you Olympic Arms! You definately have a new life-long customer! I will purchase your parts for the simple fact that you care about my rights, and that is MUCH more than I can say for the other manufacturers at this time.
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    New info! Four more arms manufacturers have joined with Olympic Arms in their boycott of New York: LaRue Tactical, Extreme Firepower Inc, York Arms, and Templar Custom are also not selling to NY. Their press releases are below (except Templar Customs as I was unable to view it while at work):

    LaRue Tactical

    NEWS RELEASE:
    02/08/2012 LEANDER, TX.

    Updated Policy for State and Local Agency Law Enforcement Sales:

    Due to the recent and numerous new Anti-gun/Anti-2nd Amendment laws passed and/or pending across our country, LaRue Tactical has been forced to reconsider how we provide products to state and local agencies.

    Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.

    State and local laws have always been a serious focus of this firm, and we are now dovetailing that focus with the constitutional rights of the residents covered in their different areas by the old and new regulations.

    We realize this effort will have an impact on this firm's sales - and have decided the lost sales are less danger to this firm than potential lawsuits from erroneous shipments generated by something as simple as human error.

    Thanks in advance for your understanding.

    Mark LaRue

    * * This policy does not apply to Military / Federal Agencies * *

    EFI, LLC
    ...
    Government Sales

    The Federal Government and several states have enacted gun control laws that restrict the public from owning and possessing certain types of firearms. Law-enforcement agencies are typically exempt from these restrictions. EFI, LLC does not recognize law-enforcement exemptions to local, state, and federal gun control laws. If a product that we manufacture is not legal for a private citizen to own in a jurisdiction, we will not sell that product to a law-enforcement agency in that jurisdiction.

    California
    EFI, LLC has registered with the DoJ CFLC program and we will sell any product that we legally can to the public. We will not, under any circumstances, sell any of our products to law-enforcement or state agencies until the California legislature repeals the gun control laws that have been enacted, as these entities have lobbied in favor of statewide gun bans.

    EFI, LLC will not sell anything to the following local government agencies until their firearm and/or magazine restrictions have been repealed:
    City of Chicago, Illinois
    New York State
    Washington, DC

    All products that we manufacture are available to our military customers.

    York Arms

    York Arms - NY deliveries

    Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York. We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York. As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies.
    For "civilian" customers residing in New York:
    At your choice, we will:
    complete your order and ship to a dealer of your choice outside of NY
    refund your payment in full
    hold your items here for up to 6 months, at no charge - if you are in the process of leaving NY and taking residence in another state.
    For LE/Govt customers in New York:
    Your orders have been cancelled.



    Personally, I love York Arms. "for LE/Govt customers in New York: Your orders have been canceled." Awesome!
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    I really love this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oramac View Post
    York Arms - NY deliveries

    For "civilian" customers residing in New York:
    At your choice, we will:
    complete your order and ship to a dealer of your choice outside of NY
    refund your payment in full
    hold your items here for up to 6 months, at no charge - if you are in the process of leaving NY and taking residence in another state.
    For LE/Govt customers in New York:
    Your orders have been cancelled.
    YES!!! York Arms you ROCK!!

    I am now a lifelong customer to all of these companies for supporting our rights and justifiable means. I strongly urge ALL gun manufacturers that have any relation to NY to follow suit. I will from here on out boycott any firearm manufacturer that does not boycott sales to NY or NY's associates, and I will proudly spend more money than usual on firearms/parts/ammo/etc from any manufacturer that follows suit boycotting NY.
    (I say this in regards to things that are now ILLEGAL in NYS, referencing anything that cannot be sold to civilians will not be sold to anyone else either in NYS. I am not urging boycotting sales of everything to NY)
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    If distributors sell to or through unapproved marketing channels, they can lose their distributorship. It happens all the time in every kind of manufacturing business. They can also be sued by the manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by York Arms
    For LE/Govt customers in New York:
    Your orders have been cancelled.
    I question everything.

    How many orders did they have?

    Honestly, I'd never heard of them, but being based in Maine, it is very possible they have a thriving business in the Northeast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I question everything.

    How many orders did they have?

    Honestly, I'd never heard of them, but being based in Maine, it is very possible they have a thriving business in the Northeast.
    It honestly doesn't matter how many orders they had. Whether it was one or a million, the message sent to NY LEOs is quite clear.

    Also keep in mind, we don't know how many orders they had, but neither do the people running stuff in NY. They may know if THEY SPECIFICALLY had an order, but they can't know if every other police unit in the state had orders or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oramac View Post
    It honestly doesn't matter how many orders they had. Whether it was one or a million, the message sent to NY LEOs is quite clear. ....
    Well, the message they send to gun enthusiasts is great, but NYS probably didn't even notice. Unless, of course, they had a pending order for a million at a great price. (How you think the number doesn't matter is beyond me.)

    I applaud them, and can only hope every other manufacturer (AND DEALER) gets on board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Well, the message they send to gun enthusiasts is great, but NYS probably didn't even notice. Unless, of course, they had a pending order for a million at a great price. (How you think the number doesn't matter is beyond me.)

    I applaud them, and can only hope every other manufacturer (AND DEALER) gets on board.
    The people who had their order canceled noticed. Guaranteed. And I'm sure they talk to their peers at least a little bit. Word will spread.

    Remember, this covers ALL of New York. So if the police force in Cooperstown had an order in, it got canceled. Not saying it'll make a huge difference, but it certainly will get noticed.
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