I am going to keep this short.

porterhouse83 said:

Wont see a physical war. Too many cowards. The men of today are nothing like the men of 60, 70 years ago. NOTHING LIKE THEM! There are very few with a back bone. Those few cant do it by themselves. Why should those brave men get shot in the street while their neighbors close their blinds and turn away? This picture is what America is now.

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I'm not promoting one either, but remember the "three percent": http://freedomintelligence.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/are-you-a-three-percenter/

I still say that this is an emotional overload from Aurora, and Newton, CT. The term "politician" has negative connotations for good reasons.

Nex time these fools ask for voter approval of some tax and spend measure - guess what ???

These Democrats are walking on very thin ice.

RockyMtnScotsman said:

I'm not promoting one either, but remember the "three percent": http://freedomintelligence.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/are-you-a-three-percenter/

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Very good point sir. For the record I am not promoting a war either. I do not believe there is 3 percent who would actually fight this time around anyway. If I sound bitter its because I am. I want a solution not a answer of there are too many anti gunners against us in politics so our hands are tied. Why do our hands need to be tied even though these bills are passing? Who says we cant do whats needed to over turn them? Show me where its written that we have to accept it.

id rather die fighting for my rights then live with cowards.

porterhouse83 said:

Wont see a physical war. Too many cowards. The men of today are nothing like the men of 60, 70 years ago. NOTHING LIKE THEM!

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These men you're so enamored of tended to be statist to the core, and their generation is directly responsible for much of the government excess in the last century. Collectivism was rampant in the years between the wars and after WWII, and the law-and-order mentality dominated. Most of them were pro-gun-control.

We're better off without them.

marshaul said:

These men you're so enamored of tended to be statist to the core, and their generation is directly responsible for much of the government excess in the last century. Collectivism was rampant in the years between the wars and after WWII, and the law-and-order mentality dominated. Most of them were pro-gun-control.

We're better off without them.

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Sounds like your justifying being a coward. Thats not what your doing is it?

porterhouse83 said:

Sounds like your justifying being a coward. Thats not what your doing is it?

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Sounds like "your" in a bad mood. Cry more, will ya? :lol:

(Seriously, though, of all the possible things you could have gotten out of my post, how did you get that?)

marshaul said:

Sounds like "your" in a bad mood. Cry more, will ya? :lol:

(Seriously, though, of all the possible things you could have gotten out of my post, how did you get that?)

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Just trying to figure out why you would attack soldiers of the past and not address the cowards of today. Made no sense to me.

porterhouse83 said:

Just trying to figure out why you would attack soldiers of the past and not address the cowards of today. Made no sense to me.

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I'm not "attacking" them, I'm trying to bring you back to reality. Those men had many qualities, but independence and fighting against usurpations of government (rather than for government) were never among them.

This is reality, not your nostalgic reminiscence of a heroic past (from which we were lucky to escape with any rights):

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...s-opponents-consistent-with-demographic-shift


As for "cowards of today", that's pure rhetoric. You haven't actually identified a single coward, or even acts of cowardly behavior. I assume the implication is that Coloradans are "cowards" if they aren't preparing to... what, exactly? Talk tough? "Draw a line in the sand" (= talk tough some more)? Or perhaps you think it's time to "go to war"? (Against whom?)

I'm sorry that your legislature is proposing all these silly laws, but it changes very little. You have your rights. No legislature can deprive you of them. **** 'em.

I'd argue that the true "coward" is the man who's afraid to simply continue exercising his right when it has been "abolished" by fools with no authority. Continuing to live according to one's own sense of right and wrong is what most people do (why do you think prohibition failed, and continues to fail, so abysmally?), and why most people aren't about to pick up arms because some politicians try to pass a dumb law. Most people, not being cowards, simply ignore bad laws, believing that they act within right.

Also, the pendulum will swing back.

Since CO has a referendum process (NC does NOT)...

Why do you not sponsor a Constitutional referendum (Article 5, Section 1)that will force the immediate REMOVAL from office any elected or appointed official that violates their oath of office as proven in any court of the state? This should be relatively innocuous enough to get past most of the libtard voters and then gives you a VERY good way to eliminate the liberal anti-Constitution elements in your government. Spend your $$ and effort to push this through. Then if a legislator gets a bill passed that is Unconstitutional, sue them in small claims and get it on record. Poof, they are gone. If a police officer makes a big blunder, POOF they are gone. You might also consider putting a proviso that they lose any civil immunity they enjoyed while employed.

Further, you could start collecting $$ and hiring full-time Constitutional attorneys to simply bury the state in Constitutional violation lawsuits. Clearly, taking the time and effort to contact your representatives is a waste, so why do it? Get them removed and make further attempts to violate the 2A so expensive and drawn out that it is not worthy of their time.

It would be fantastic if NC had an effective referrendum process..but it does not.

If anyone would like to propose something more effective than writing and calling senators (completely useless), I would be happy to do it. I've written and called, to no avail. Unfortunately, suing them, or pursuing a constitutional referendum, as noted above, costs money, of which I have very little. I have willpower, grit, and a bad attitude toward anyone who might screw with me, but little else.

And consider me one of the 3%. Their laws matter little to me. So they may ban large magazines, or private sales without a background check. Think I care? There's nobody standing around checking to see if I have passed a background check to buy a neighbors' gun. Where's the enforcement? And even if an official did have an issue with it, I'd have only two words for them, and those words would not be "Cuff me".

Alamo Jack said:

If anyone would like to propose something more effective than writing and calling senators (completely useless), I would be happy to do it. I've written and called, to no avail. Unfortunately, suing them, or pursuing a constitutional referendum, as noted above, costs money, of which I have very little. I have willpower, grit, and a bad attitude toward anyone who might screw with me, but little else.

And consider me one of the 3%. Their laws matter little to me. So they may ban large magazines, or private sales without a background check. Think I care? There's nobody standing around checking to see if I have passed a background check to buy a neighbors' gun. Where's the enforcement? And even if an official did have an issue with it, I'd have only two words for them, and those words would not be "Cuff me".

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That is why you need to band together and pool your money and efforts into something other than calling and lobbying legislators. Bypass that stupidity.

1776

I have a better solution. Start the new 1776. It's long overdue.

After watching the news and reading about how all these bills will pass in CO im seeing red. I swear I hope people in this state get off their couches and do band together. Being nice and diplomatic is bs and a bs answer. Im fed up and pissed off.

porterhouse83 said:

After watching the news and reading about how all these bills will pass in CO im seeing red. I swear I hope people in this state get off their couches and do band together. Being nice and diplomatic is bs and a bs answer. Im fed up and pissed off.

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well they wont like my answer when they try and come for my stuff here.

Democrats in Denver are giddy to demonstrate that they are big boys & girls capable of standing up against the "gun lobby" .

A "common sense, reasonable COMPROMISE" approach would be to amend the bills to allow CHP to serve as a background check, and a permit/license to possess ammunition magazines having capacity exceeding the restriction.

This is a good issue to submit through an initiative petition effort. If the magazine restriction and universal background check is enacted without such a CHP exception, that provision should be added ASAP through the initiative process.

boycott KVOR/740 radio in Colorado Springs -- they are running a series of advertisements from an anti-gun lobby. That is of course their choice but it is not without consequences. I contacted station management to calmly express my displeasure at their anti-liberty advertising. The person to whom I spoke said they'd take advertising dollars from who ever pays them. I said, so that makes you a ***** -- good to know. I'll be listening to the content I want online via the direct link to the shows rather than on the radio and I'll also be letting their other advertisers know why I'm not listening. They may not care, but i do.

The anti-constitutionalists, and their useful idiots are venturing far beyond their supply lines in this push against the 2A.

They will begin to realize that they have just lost their next election while proudly running their victory lap around the State Capitol - only to notice that the viewing stands are suddenly only 1/3 full.

You don't remain in office in Colorado after TALKING "support for the 2nd Amendment", and then after getting elected WALK hand in hand with Bloomberg & Co.

rushcreek2 said:

The anti-constitutionalists, and their useful idiots are venturing far beyond their supply lines in this push against the 2A.

They will begin to realize that they have just lost their next election while proudly running their victory lap around the State Capitol - only to notice that the viewing stands are suddenly only 1/3 full.

You don't remain in office in Colorado after TALKING "support for the 2nd Amendment", and then after getting elected WALK hand in hand with Bloomberg & Co.

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I pray to God that you are right. I have never been so ANGRY in my life! My next concern is if these socialist do lose their seats will these laws be overturned by the next in line? If not then these Hitler wannabes have won regardless of the next election.

porterhouse83 said:

We are being ignored across the board though. I mean seriously ignored. When you watch the news and anyone tries to make a argument who is pro 2nd they are trashed and eyes get rolled at them. We have already lost.

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Howdy Pard!
I ain't meaning this to sound terse, but it bugs me. You know me, we have met. And I havent been sitting on my hands waiting for legislation to come along.
I hosted a meet and greet, and we discussed options on how to confront the challenge posed by new legislation. Didn't see you there, though. Hmmm.
Then I also participated in a rally at the state capitol. I assisted with security at the event, and worked instead of simply showing up. Didn't see you there though.
What have you done, other than insult the rest of us who are out there doing stuff?
Perhaps the shame you feel is the sting of knowing there is more that you can do.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin