The 2 laws you most need to be aware of are the "gun-free" school zone laws:
WI 948.605 and Federal 18USC922 (q)(2)(b)
If they're posted (near every entrance), they're posted, completely aside from the school issue.Originally Posted by bmwguy11
943.13 is the trespass statute. 943.13(1m)(c)(2) is the part which applies to "nonresidential buildings".
But it sounds like they've posted in ignorance, not really understanding the laws.
That can be corrected.
One thing they particularly need to be aware of is the immunity statute 175.60(21)(b):
By posting, they give up that immunity. Most insurance companies like to hear about immunity from liability.(b) A person that does not prohibit an individual from carrying a concealed weapon on property that the person owns or occupies is immune from any liability arising from its decision.
BTW, if you copy that to explain to them why it's bad to post, please don't do like I've seen some other people do & copy part A (which applies to the DOT & DOJ, not to normal people) or part D (applies to instructors). C applies to any employer.
Look at the platte map or tax records to see if they're separate parcels. (Or how about, do they have different addresses?) If the church parcel is a separate property and if they remove the signs it's legal to carry there.the church isn't even connected to the school... St francis cabrini owns the entire property, however, would the school grounds and church grounds be considered "separate" in the case of CCW?
Just don't step onto the school parcel w/o permission, or it's a felony.
Even if they are the same parcel, the same address, since the church owns/controls the school, they can decide to make a blanket policy allowing people to be armed at church, church functions, or even in the school.
948.605 Gun-free school zones
(2) Possession of firearm in school zone
(b) Paragraph (a) [can't possess a firearm near a school] does not apply to the possession of a firearm by any of the following
(1m) A person who possesses the firearm in accordance with 18 USC 922 (q)(2)(B) (i), (iv), (v), (vi), or (vii).So if the school board (which probably equals or substantially overlaps with the church board) approves of church services & events, and agrees that people may be armed,18 USC 922 (q)(2)(B) Subparagraph (A) [can't possess a firearm near a school] does not apply to the possession of a firearm —
(i) on private property not part of school grounds [that would be the church]
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.
creates a contract with the congregation saying that any law-abiding person is allowed to be armed in church (& in school?)
it'd be legal.
All of this is IMO, of course.
ETA: one of the websites I've found says that the parish is at 1025 S 7th, and the school is at 529 Hawthorn Dr.
I think that's a good sign that they're separate.
It says that they're a Milwaukee archdioscesan (sp?) school, and I remember hearing that they'd decided not to post or actually prohibit at their churches, just to gently discourage people from being armed in church.