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    Private Trump State Question

    In Michigan, Being a Avid open carrier since it allows me to carry in PFZ legally so long i have my CPL on me.

    Therefore im legally allowed to carry in Hospitals,Stadiums,Schools,Colleges,Bars and so on. But still no federal buildings at all.

    My question is, If im at a place and are told to leave, Does it have to be the owner of the property/building or can some working employee tell me..

    I figured and employee has no authority of what goes on there but someone Higher up Manager,supervisor or owner.

    I also know that buildings that are State Ran/Funded I legally dont have to leave when asked since they must follow state law. I believe most HS and most colleges are State funded which would mean they must follow state law. Correct me if im wrong on the last part.

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    Moved your query to the Michigan sub-forum as much of this has to do with state specific information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket0086 View Post
    In Michigan, Being a Avid open carrier since it allows me to carry in PFZ legally so long i have my CPL on me.

    Therefore im legally allowed to carry in Hospitals,Stadiums,Schools,Colleges,Bars and so on. But still no federal buildings at all.

    My question is, If im at a place and are told to leave, Does it have to be the owner of the property/building or can some working employee tell me..

    I figured and employee has no authority of what goes on there but someone Higher up Manager,supervisor or owner.

    I also know that buildings that are State Ran/Funded I legally dont have to leave when asked since they must follow state law. I believe most HS and most colleges are State funded which would mean they must follow state law. Correct me if im wrong on the last part.
    This comes down to trespass law, and really doesn't have much to do with firearm law at this point.

    Your first question about schools: Technically, with a CPL it is legal to open carry there, however, you will be hassled, most likely. If you are asked to leave, and you don't, it is likely that you will be charged with trespassing. Whether its right or not, it has and does happen, so be aware of that if you choose to do it.

    As far as your question about an establishment that is privately owned, the law only states 'an owner or agent of the property'... which is, possibly intentionally, vague. This could easily be interpreted to mean any employee from the president down to the janitor. So again, if asked to leave, it is probably best to comply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket0086 View Post
    In Michigan, Being a Avid open carrier since it allows me to carry in PFZ legally so long i have my CPL on me am licensed to carry a concealed weapon.
    FIFY. Having your CPL on you is not required by law, when you are OC'ing anywhere including PFZs. The only requirement in the law regarding "having" your CPL with you is only where the law says you must present it if an officer asks for it, when you are CC'ing and do your mandatory CC disclosure.
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    This point has been argued a few times here, I do not know if there is any clear precedents that settle this, So I would suggest you be wary.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    FIFY. Having your CPL on you is not required by law, when you are OC'ing anywhere including PFZs. The only requirement in the law regarding "having" your CPL with you is only where the law says you must present it if an officer asks for it, when you are CC'ing and do your mandatory CC disclosure.
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    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    This point has been argued a few times here, I do not know if there is any clear precedents that settle this, So I would suggest you be wary.
    Raggs: Unless there is a law stating one must carry a CPL when open carrying (in a PFZ or otherwise) then there are no prohibitions against not doing so and should be fine. There are no laws regarding carrying of a CPL while open carrying.


    I'm not a lawyer and not giving legal advise nor is anyone posting on the thread. Just my opinion on the subject and everyone elses should be considered the same.

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    well, I agree, however that does not mean the op would not get jammed up. If he has the money to fight it then more power to him, if not I suggest taking care in prodding the beast.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikestilly View Post
    Raggs: Unless there is a law stating one must carry a CPL when open carrying (in a PFZ or otherwise) then there are no prohibitions against not doing so and should be fine. There are no laws regarding carrying of a CPL while open carrying.


    I'm not a lawyer and not giving legal advise nor is anyone posting on the thread. Just my opinion on the subject and everyone elses should be considered the same.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikestilly View Post
    Raggs: Unless there is a law stating one must carry a CPL when open carrying (in a PFZ or otherwise) then there are no prohibitions against not doing so and should be fine. There are no laws regarding carrying of a CPL while open carrying.


    I'm not a lawyer and not giving legal advise nor is anyone posting on the thread. Just my opinion on the subject and everyone elses should be considered the same.
    There may be no law requiring you to carry a CPL while OC in a PFZ, you still must have a CPL issued to you to OC in that PFZ. Common sense would indicate then that if you are going to OC in a PFZ, you should have your CPL in your possession so if you are challenged you can prove you meet the exemption to possess a firearm in that area.
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    EZ I agree, I am sure mikestilly keeps his CPL in his car all the time as that is the only place he would need it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezerharden View Post
    There may be no law requiring you to carry a CPL while OC in a PFZ, you still must have a CPL issued to you to OC in that PFZ. Common sense would indicate then that if you are going to OC in a PFZ, you should have your CPL in your possession so if you are challenged you can prove you meet the exemption to possess a firearm in that area.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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