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    How to avoid drones? Ask dudes in middle east - recommended reading?

    http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaida-tipsh...173015912.html

    Al-Qaida tipsheet on avoiding drones found in Mali...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Interesting reading, considering they are using Drones in the US.
    Last edited by zack991; 02-21-2013 at 06:46 PM.
    -I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you screw with me, I'll kill you all.
    -Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
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    You support Imperialistic endeavors in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, with the use of drones...practice, for state-side.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    You support Imperialistic endeavors in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, with the use of drones...practice, for state-side.
    If you are referring to me, I have NEVER supported or agreed to their illegal use. So if you dont mind quit putting words in my mouth. My last comment is in reference for Americans to read the tips and understand them since the US Government has decided to use them on US citizens.
    -I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you screw with me, I'll kill you all.
    -Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
    Marine General James Mattis,

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    We should all read that paper and then use it against our own government's agents who wish to harm our rights with these drone attacks.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    We should all read that paper and then use it against our own government's agents who wish to harm our rights with these drone attacks.
    I certainly will take the free advice and I have saved it for a cold raining day.
    -I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you screw with me, I'll kill you all.
    -Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    If you are referring to me, I have NEVER supported or agreed to their illegal use. So if you dont mind quit putting words in my mouth. My last comment is in reference for Americans to read the tips and understand them since the US Government has decided to use them on US citizens.
    Have you ever:

    1) Voted
    2) Paid Taxes

    I bet you have done both! You supported it.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Have you ever:

    1) Voted
    2) Paid Taxes

    I bet you have done both! You supported it.
    Which taxes? Directly or indirectly?
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Have you ever:

    1) Voted
    2) Paid Taxes

    I bet you have done both! You supported it.
    Umm No, that complete bullshi, quit trolling for a damn fight like always. Just because a person votes does not make them automatically for or against a president using drones or any of their policy's. I never voted for or was a supporter of Gore, Bush, McCain, Kerry, Romney, Obama for that matter. I have never agreed with any of the illegal wars, or the illegal use of the drones. There are plenty of people who voted for Obama in 2008, by your logic that means they supported the continuation of Afghanistan or his illegal side wars he was starting just because they voted for him. Also being force to pay income tax at the threat of a barrel of gun does not mean we supported those funds going to illegal wars and illegal uses. Go troll another forum.
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    -I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you screw with me, I'll kill you all.
    -Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
    Marine General James Mattis,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Which taxes? Directly or indirectly?
    Doesn't matter. You pay taxes, you are affirming the legitimacy of the System.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    Umm No, that complete bullshi, quit trolling for a damn fight like always. Just because a person votes does not make them automatically for or against a president using drones or any of their policy's. I never voted for or was a supporter of Gore, Bush, McCain, Kerry, Romney, Obama for that matter. I have never agreed with any of the illegal wars, or the illegal use of the drones. There are plenty of people who voted for Obama in 2008, by your logic that means they supported the continuation of Afghanistan or his illegal side wars he was starting just because they voted for him. Also being force to pay income tax at the threat of a barrel of gun does not mean we supported those funds going to illegal wars and illegal uses. Go troll another forum.
    You have voted, though? You have paid taxes?--of all sorts. Any vote you cast, you are agreeing to the inherent consolidation of your Rights, and Liberty, into the collective.

    All I'm stating is that when you vote, when you pay your taxes--or any taxes--you are affirming the legitimacy of the System, and contributing your moneys to whatever end the System sees fit to utilize those moneys.

    There's no getting out of it, you support the System that 'oppresses' you, and spends moneys you contributed--willfully--to illegal wars, and items, such as: drones.

    You're living the American Dream!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Doesn't matter. You pay taxes, you are affirming the legitimacy of the System.
    You did not answer the question. You need to clarify your questions.

    Which taxes are you claiming that I have paid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    You did not answer the question. You need to clarify your questions.

    Which taxes are you claiming that I have paid?
    I'm stated that, if you live in America, work, or purchase things, you pay taxes.

    Also, I was not stating "you," as in, you. I was making a statement that if: You pay taxes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I'm stated that, if you live in America, work, or purchase things, you pay taxes.

    Also, I was not stating "you," as in, you. I was making a statement that if: You pay taxes....
    So what taxes do you pay for simply living and working here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    So what taxes do you pay for simply living and working here?
    I will throw you a bone: I purchase gasoline for my vehicle.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I will throw you a bone: I purchase gasoline for my vehicle.
    Ah so you, are the one who supports such vile and illegal actions. Okay I understand now, you project your feelings onto others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Ah so you, are the one who supports such vile and illegal actions. Okay I understand now, you project your feelings onto others.
    I never stated the Governments actions are vile and illegal.

    I didn't just state I, I am stated ALL individuals.

    You don't drive a car that runs off gasoline? You don't purchase taxed goods? You don't pay taxes?--if No, then you don't work; or you're going to have the IRS knocking on your door, eventually.

    We, collectively, support Imperial actions perpetrated by the State.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I never stated the Governments actions are vile and illegal.

    I didn't just state I, I am stated ALL individuals.

    You don't drive a car that runs off gasoline? You don't purchase taxed goods? You don't pay taxes?--if No, then you don't work; or you're going to have the IRS knocking on your door, eventually.

    We, collectively, support Imperial actions perpetrated by the State.
    Why should I fear the IRS? It's legal to kill IRS agents in Washington State when they try and take your property.

    Oh I know, you fear them because you want socialism. There is nothing wrong with having a car that is fueled by coke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    We should all read that paper and then use it against our own government's agents who wish to harm our rights with these drone attacks.
    Except that several of those either extremely generic, don't understand even the most basic of how things like EO or IR sensors work, and/or flat out wrong. For example, hiding in trees/caves/forests. That's kinda obvious when trying to hide and needing to be told that is just...yea I don't have words for it (not to mention that it can be applied to any situation where you're trying to hide. Kinda like how the LAPD shooter managed to evade even people on the ground for so long). Or things in regards to EO/IR sensors. Mirrors are going to reflect the sun up into the air and draw attention to one's position (rescue mirrors, hello?) and putting rugs and stuff above the car to hide the heat signature is still going to look like you're trying to hide something (just google "IR drone pictures" and tell me what you think such a "disguised" vehicle is going to look like).

    And then I'd like to see you actually try employing some of those "tactics" in the US. Doing such things is going to draw MORE attention to you. I'm sure there are things that people can do to try and defeat such monitoring, but that paper is either the most basic of anti-surveillance measures, or lacks the most basic of understanding of systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Why should I fear the IRS? It's legal to kill IRS agents in Washington State when they try and take your property.

    Oh I know, you fear them because you want socialism. There is nothing wrong with having a car that is fueled by coke.
    Cite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J1MB0B View Post
    Cite?
    RCW 9A.16.050
    Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.


    Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

    (1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

    (2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.


    You'll have to read my thread in the social lounge about tax law for the rest of it.
    I know the IRC better than most lawyers, for sure better than any lawyer on this site. However more people have an adverse reaction to the truth. So watch the 12 hour video and then read the law for yourself. Even the IRS had it in the IRS manual warning agents that if they were following orders that citizens could kill them. "Avoid unnecessary taxpayer reaction." Since IRS agents will attempt to take property without a warrant and they can be (and often are) armed, or they have conspired with a Sheriff's office to help steal your property without a court order the agent is committing a felony upon you, in your presence, etc.

    Armed robbery and conspiracy to commit a crime are two felonies. Theft in value exceeding 750 (FRN) "dollars" is also a felony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Why should I fear the IRS? It's legal to kill IRS agents in Washington State when they try and take your property.

    Oh I know, you fear them because you want socialism. There is nothing wrong with having a car that is fueled by coke.
    I didn't state you should fear the IRS.

    I don't fear the IRS; then again, never had a run-in with them. I don't want Socialism; America has it's form and degree of Socialism.--Socialism is here to stay.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post

    I don't fear the IRS; then again, never had a run-in with them.
    Hope you save your tax records forever .. no statue of limitations on non-filers ... they came to me 10 yrs after filing (had a cancelled chk too) ... they wanted a file stamped copy of the return to agree to drop the case (250 bucks...but the state would have been 15K, and they were close behind of course).

    Sued the IRS agent personally and got them to admit that they destroyed evidence & then when the state came a-callin I sent them the SAME paperwork that I did the feds. The state said "you filed" ... so suing the irs agent personally work out well (sans the several visits from the FBI & Treasury agents who I always promptly booted off my land).

    So keep your tax paperwork forever ... no statue of limitations on non-filers ... every 5 years I ask for my return filed every 5 yrs previous & asked for certification ... I get em & the IRS has not said boo to me since...

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    Re: How to avoid drones? Ask dudes in middle east - recommended reading?

    Back to the drones... seeing as how they can see your footprints(I've seen it) nothing that they offer in there would really work. You guys realize that we (military) feed them BS all the time just to watch them look like retards. We actually had them wrapping themselves in tinfoil for a little while!

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