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    Is there anything we should do to help patriots stranded in NY?

    Would it be prudent and possible for a group of patriots here in VA to create a startup business to safely inventory and store firearms in the banned categories from New Yorkers? I envision a secured site with the ability for clients to view their inventory remotely by webcam anytime. They have a full year to set up storage options, so I imagine its possible.

    Not sure if it should be done, it's kind of a weasel way out. On the one hand I think I'd rather see them defy the law en mass and force legal confrontation, on the other hand I'd be heartbroken to hear that Albany was seizing and destroying historical firearms like SMLE's or early model Browning Hi Powers...opinions for discussion please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewf View Post
    Would it be prudent and possible for a group of patriots here in VA to create a startup business to safely inventory and store firearms in the banned categories from New Yorkers? I envision a secured site with the ability for clients to view their inventory remotely by webcam anytime. They have a full year to set up storage options, so I imagine its possible.

    Not sure if it should be done, it's kind of a weasel way out. On the one hand I think I'd rather see them defy the law en mass and force legal confrontation, on the other hand I'd be heartbroken to hear that Albany was seizing and destroying historical firearms like SMLE's or early model Browning Hi Powers...opinions for discussion please.
    Suggest moving out of that State is my opinion.
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    I have a boat that regularly goes out to the deep spots in the Chicahominy Swamp. Very stable and smooth ride unless overloaded, in which case it tends to turn turtle. But that's OK because it is self-righting and self-bailing. Most folks wear a drysuit regardless of the season - just in case. As "captain" of the craft I try to be less authoritarian than Capt. Bligh or Capt. Queeg - I'll usually give a few warnings about the dangers of horseplay before threatening to throw anybody overboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickslinger View Post
    Suggest moving out of that State is my opinion.
    NOT SOUTH!

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    This idea had crossed my mind as well. Maybe if you found a bank that was closing a branch down, you could rent their vault space. Seems the biggest concern would be the security of the storage, both while unattended, AND while you were working there. I wouldn't want to be on the hook for hundreds of firearms if they turned up stolen. It would be a very tempting target.

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    An unattended high-value warehouse

    Are you nuckin' futs? And how are you going to deal with geting the permits needed?

    Something that makes a bonded Customs warehouse look like a kids' game. Roving and stationary armed patrols inside and out. No "off-duty" cops. Long rows of gun racks Pay extra for an armorer to field strip, clean, and lubricate every 6 months.

    IIRC we projected costs on that a while back - it came out to "not cheap" - actually more like "not inexpensive". Cost pere unit goes down the more total units being stored but it still is going to have to be quite a big box outfit to come under $1xx per month per unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickslinger View Post
    Suggest moving out of that State is my opinion.
    This. But if they move down here, just make sure they leave their New York ways in New York and don't bring them to Virginia. We don't want to Florida Virginia anymore than it has been already. Northern Virginia has been polluted enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewf View Post
    Would it be prudent and possible for a group of patriots here in VA to create a startup business to safely inventory and store firearms in the banned categories from New Yorkers? I envision a secured site with the ability for clients to view their inventory remotely by webcam anytime. They have a full year to set up storage options, so I imagine its possible.

    Not sure if it should be done, it's kind of a weasel way out. On the one hand I think I'd rather see them defy the law en mass and force legal confrontation, on the other hand I'd be heartbroken to hear that Albany was seizing and destroying historical firearms like SMLE's or early model Browning Hi Powers...opinions for discussion please.
    I would be VERY interested in such a venture. Although my knowledge rests in the domain of computer security, maybe I can help out in coming up with a preliminary business plan...

    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    An unattended high-value warehouse

    Are you nuckin' futs? And how are you going to deal with geting the permits needed?

    Something that makes a bonded Customs warehouse look like a kids' game. Roving and stationary armed patrols inside and out. No "off-duty" cops. Long rows of gun racks Pay extra for an armorer to field strip, clean, and lubricate every 6 months.

    IIRC we projected costs on that a while back - it came out to "not cheap" - actually more like "not inexpensive". Cost pere unit goes down the more total units being stored but it still is going to have to be quite a big box outfit to come under $1xx per month per unit.

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    I don't suppose you'd be willing to let me have a look at your plans? I am interested in seeing what you came up with.

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    This would be a cool way to do it... Have the Governor set aside some space inside a secure National Guard facility. Contract it out at no cost to the State to take care of the details.

    Sort of a nice way for Virginia to remind New Yorkers of what it means to be free.

    (I know this could probably never really work... but it's an amusing idea to consider.)

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    simpler storage solution

    You could have a facility that just stored their stripped AR lowers, polymer pistol lowers and magazines, no barrels, strikers or receivers. That would account for most of the volume. No functional weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewf View Post
    You could have a facility that just stored their stripped AR lowers, polymer pistol lowers and magazines, no barrels, strikers or receivers. That would account for most of the volume. No functional weapons.
    These are people who consider possession of a magazine to be a felony. Somehow, I don't think they would consider this solution acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewf View Post
    You could have a facility that just stored their stripped AR lowers, polymer pistol lowers and magazines, no barrels, strikers or receivers. That would account for most of the volume. No functional weapons.
    And the barrels with removable flash hiders? e.g. Threaded barrels? And the bayonet lugged ones? You've just asked folks to have you store their entire weapon in a sense if you include those potentially banned items as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    NOT SOUTH!

    What if we did a "one in, one out" policy? My in-laws live in Portmouth, view the fact that their daughter lives with guns around the house and actually enjoys shooting in her backyard as just CRAZY. The kicker: They're from NY. We bring 2 scary black rifle owners down from NY and I send the in-laws back UP. It's a WIN-WIN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltH2OHokie View Post
    What if we did a "one in, one out" policy? My in-laws live in Portmouth, view the fact that their daughter lives with guns around the house and actually enjoys shooting in her backyard as just CRAZY. The kicker: They're from NY. We bring 2 scary black rifle owners down from NY and I send the in-laws back UP. It's a WIN-WIN!
    Sounds fair to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob888 View Post
    I would be VERY interested in such a venture. Although my knowledge rests in the domain of computer security, maybe I can help out in coming up with a preliminary business plan...



    I don't suppose you'd be willing to let me have a look at your plans? I am interested in seeing what you came up with.
    Sure. Just sign this non-compete agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Sure. Just sign this non-compete agreement.

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    Sorry to ask you a "if you got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" type of question, but...why would you need a non-compete if you're not going to capitalize on it anyhow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    These are people who consider possession of a magazine to be a felony. Somehow, I don't think they would consider this solution acceptable.

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    That guy will push that stupid law until it is dead in the courts ... man, they don't even want you to have "Sportsman Magazines" because they have pictures of evil guns on their cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob888 View Post
    Sorry to ask you a "if you got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" type of question, but...why would you need a non-compete if you're not going to capitalize on it anyhow?
    1 - Who says I'm not going to?

    2 - Even if I don't, I value my thoughts and put a price on them. Sometimes that price involves the exchange of Federal Reserve Notes - especially if someone else stands to make money using my thoughts. TANSTAAFL, but sometimes I do pass around a tray of snacks to let people sample the wares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    2 - Even if I don't, I value my thoughts and put a price on them. Sometimes that price involves the exchange of Federal Reserve Notes - especially if someone else stands to make money using my thoughts. TANSTAAFL, but sometimes I do pass around a tray of snacks to let people sample the wares.
    stay safe.
    Okay, I understand. As for the greenbacks, would you consider sharing your ideas in consideration for a reasonable (i.e. 50%) equity of the results? Even if you want to be a silent partner...

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