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    Cracker Barrel Bans Open Carry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFNvcR-kgs Please do your part an do not patronize Cracker Barrel
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    How could they possibly know who a gun owner is? Your title is not correct, I believe they ban the carry of firearms in their stores, not gun owners.
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    It seems that this question came up about two years ago (judging from an incredible amount of traffic on this site and others found during a simple Google search). The net upshot seemed to be a chorus of, "Hey, I OC at CB all the time. The food is good. We have OC meetings there."

    All of that is true. I can tell you from personal experience. However, if CB indeed has a policy that allows a local manager to eject carriers, then we should't be patronizing CBs anywhere. Just because your tyrant is benevolent, you'll tolerate him???

    I have a call in to CB corporate. I will not patronize any CB until I get a call back. I will patronize NO CB if even one manager is allowed to eject carriers. Anyone who does patronize CB it this is indeed corporate policy is supporting the behavior. It is your choice to do so, and I will defend your Liberty to exercise that choice. Just don't give me the hypocritical nonsense that you are supporting your local CB because they haven't yet ejected you. You are supporting the corporation, and it seems that they are supporting ejecting carriers.

    If this is correct, and not a single rogue manager not following corporate policy, then move your meetings--even from individual stores that have been OC friendly.

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    *sigh* I thought this was resolved on here months ago. Cracker Barrel corporate policy is to ask OC'ers to leave, but not CC'ers, on the premise that they "aren't anti gun, but visible guns make people nervous, so we don't want them exposed in our stores" (paraphrased.) IIRC, this is corporate policy, but some managers in some locations are choosing not to enforce it.

    That doesn't make it any less the official stance of the company, and spending money there sends a message that gun owners support it.


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    I emailed Cracker Barrel regarding wanting to hold a Open Carry event. This is the answer...

    Dear Mr. Sanderlin,

    Thank you for taking the time to share your comments with all of us here at Cracker Barrel Old Country Store. We're always pleased to hear from our guests.

    Open Carry Policy
    As we work to achieve our mission of Pleasing People, one of our top priorities is the safety and comfort of our guests, both external and internal. Because of this, and because it is our intent to provide our guests and employees with a relaxed, comfortable, family-oriented environment, we feel its important to review our open carry policy.

    Simply stated, our policy is that we will not seat or serve patrons who are openly carrying or wearing firearms unless the patrons are law enforcement officers, security guards, or uniformed military personnel.

    We look forward to seeing you in one of our locations again soon.

    Sincerely,

    Sandra Vance
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    Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, Inc
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    There is a lot more to this and I expect I will be on another "DO NOT TALK TO LIST....now...but there isn't much of a story other than they are anti now (Chippers and LEO's excepted"...but this is Corporate on the phone.

    I'll leave sleeping dogs lay as far as VCDL's source....It would cause problems and wouldn't add much.

    anyway, this is the essence of it:

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    "I received a copy of a Cracker Barrel internal policy memo from a source who will remain anonymous. The nutshell is that if a store manager wishes to he can enforce a company policy against open carry, asking the open carrier to return his gun to his vehicle, while saying (according to the memo), "We're making this request in order to accommodate our guests and employees who may be uncomfortable in the present of a fire arm (sic)." I think they should ask the guests who are uncomfortable with someone else exercising their Second Amendment rights to leave, not the gun owner who is minding his own business! I'm sick and tired of all this faux concern about somebody being *uncomfortable* about this, that or the other. If a person is uncomfortable about someone else's skin color or religious dress, should the "offender" be asked to leave? I hope not. Anyway concealed carry is not at issue for Cracker Barrel, only open carry. Just an FYI."
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    Went to Cracker Barrel this morning - 7-12-11, as my wife and I have done for almost 4 years now. We ordered, ate, and got our check. All of the sudden, a man in a blue shirt and radio on his side walked really close to me and said in a calm and low voice - "I don't know if you are law enforcement, but if you are not, our store policy is no guns." I did not confirm nor deny the law enforcement challenge, however, I told him that he would loose my business because of it. This time around, it was almost like they were trying to rush us out because we got our check JUST as we were finishing up, and as we left to pay, the blue shirt man (Known as B.J.) followed closely, as if we were criminals.

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    Check closed at 8:10 AM $23.63

    No more from us - Cracker Barrel!

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    interesting....Ive been to the CB in St. George, UT plenty of times because Nevada doesnt have one (at least one that i know of) and have carried there plenty of times. Even spoke with the cashier who was looking to get a Glock and asked me some questions about them. Ive been there at LEAST four times and never had a problem. I even had my waiter for my table ask me the requirements to carry...so i guess its really up to the manager to follow their "corporate policy," which is against state law, but it is private property...
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    I thought that there was a case for OC in GA in a Cracker Barrel where the OC prevented a robbery. I remember that the criminals even told the cops that they were waiting for the armed customer to leave so they could rob the place.

    I will look it up again later unless someone remembers and links it.
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    Hum OC and CC in our local Cracker Barrel, local management is the deciding factor, so do we demonetize the whole for the actions of a single?

    Incident that happened 2 years ago here OC walk, that was over shadowed by the local city PD, (who had a very anti chief who is no longer there). The groups agenda had been published so there would be no surprises, and when assembled the local PD bullied, yes I said bulled the place we were to eat at into posting a very hastily written no guns sign at the door... (which was removed shortly after). So do you boycott the eatery for bowing to pressure of the moment, or as we did bring charges against the police for abuse of power (which by coincidence may have prompted an quick and hastey retirement)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    Hum OC and CC in our local Cracker Barrel, local management is the deciding factor, so do we demonetize the whole for the actions of a single?
    --snipped--
    Did you not read post #4?

    Cracker Barrel is decidedly anti OC - policy is they won't say anything if they can't see it.

    Been through it here in Va. where we had regular breakfasts over seveal years at a local Cracker Barrel - told no more, went through the regional manager, then to corporate where we were told No OC. We haven't been back since.

    A local manager may elect to ignore the policy, but you're still filing the wallet of a non-freedom supporting company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    Hum OC and CC in our local Cracker Barrel, local management is the deciding factor, so do we demonetize the whole for the actions of a single? ...
    YES!!! Although, as GS points out, such is not the case. The whole chain is anti-OC. Managers who do not follow the policy are subject to being fired.

    BTW, I don't know how this would work in Ohio. They either have to allow carry, or the have to explicitly bar it. They don't get to pick and choose. If they post the gun-buster sign, you may not lawfully OC or CC. If they don't have the sign, any form of lawful carry is lawful in the store.

    Back to the question: YES!!! Even if the chain allowed manager discretion (CB does not), spending money in a location that allows carry still lines the pockets of folks who have a policy that strips some customers of their ability to exercise the Right at some of the stores. Anyone who spends money at any CB, whether they allow carry or not at that location, is rewarding anti-carry corporate behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    YES!!! Although, as GS points out, such is not the case. The whole chain is anti-OC. Managers who do not follow the policy are subject to being fired.

    BTW, I don't know how this would work in Ohio. They either have to allow carry, or the have to explicitly bar it. They don't get to pick and choose. If they post the gun-buster sign, you may not lawfully OC or CC. If they don't have the sign, any form of lawful carry is lawful in the store.

    Back to the question: YES!!! Even if the chain allowed manager discretion (CB does not), spending money in a location that allows carry still lines the pockets of folks who have a policy that strips some customers of their ability to exercise the Right at some of the stores. Anyone who spends money at any CB, whether they allow carry or not at that location, is rewarding anti-carry corporate behavior.
    Eye, I need the hard liquor now, you're making sense.

    I would replace "CB" with "Business" but, you're making sense. It scares me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    --snipped-- It scares me.
    While I do not find that delineated in the Bill of Rights, I do believe that being scared is your natural right.
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    hmm Cops are basically anti-OC, but we pay taxes....are we funding an anti-OC group? Ive never seen a fast food place or restaurant with a GUNS WELCOME sign. So is every restaurant we go to Anti-gun at least in the Corporate levels? most likely. I guarantee if you wrote any Corporate Big Wig about OC on their establishments from ANY restaurant, you'd get the same response as CB. So do we stop eating out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisherprice View Post
    hmm Cops are basically anti-OC, but we pay taxes....are we funding an anti-OC group?
    Silly analogy. It is up to us, the People, to stop government when it behaves in violation of our rights. It is not a business we can choose not to patronize.

    Ive never seen a fast food place or restaurant with a GUNS WELCOME sign. So is every restaurant we go to Anti-gun at least in the Corporate levels?
    No. True respect for OC means to make no big deal out of it, whether one does it or not. Don't put up a sign, one way or the other. And don't bother me whether I choose to carry or not. That is OC-friendly.

    most likely. I guarantee if you wrote any Corporate Big Wig about OC on their establishments from ANY restaurant, you'd get the same response as CB. So do we stop eating out?
    I guarantee that you are wrong. We have written these corporations. Most have stated that they will follow the law. Check around the site. You will find that I am right and you are wrong.

    Some corporations respect our rights. Some respect the dollars. Some just ain't considered it because they think it is government's job. Some are irrationally emotional when it comes to guns. Lotsa different reasons for looking at it lotsa different ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Silly analogy. It is up to us, the People, to stop government when it behaves in violation of our rights. It is not a business we can choose not to patronize.



    No. True respect for OC means to make no big deal out of it, whether one does it or not. Don't put up a sign, one way or the other. And don't bother me whether I choose to carry or not. That is OC-friendly.



    I guarantee that you are wrong. We have written these corporations. Most have stated that they will follow the law. Check around the site. You will find that I am right and you are wrong.

    Some corporations respect our rights. Some respect the dollars. Some just ain't considered it because they think it is government's job. Some are irrationally emotional when it comes to guns. Lotsa different reasons for looking at it lotsa different ways.
    Its a toss up. WALMART "follows" state law but called the cops on me here in Vegas for OC. Basically every casino here on the Strip is anti-OC. Of course, this is just one part of Nevada, and a small part of the country. Ive been kicked out of enough places to understand this....i think we all have.
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    Yep, and one of the Walmarts in Montgomery, AL, tossed one of our members. The manager no longer works there. Corporate and the area manager were all over this. If you have a problem with your local Walmart, raise the issue with your area manager and/or corporate. I guarantee that you will see action, and see it FAST.

    Oh, and I was kicked out of Target.

    By the police...until they found out that they could not.

    Target welcomed me back and informed the officers that they were out of line.

    Just stop being jaded and keep working the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    While I do not find that delineated in the Bill of Rights, I do believe that being scared is your natural right.
    I am scare that I might not be in the correct dimension. A certain poster is making sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisherprice View Post
    hmm Cops are basically anti-OC, but we pay taxes....are we funding an anti-OC group? Ive never seen a fast food place or restaurant with a GUNS WELCOME sign. So is every restaurant we go to Anti-gun at least in the Corporate levels? most likely. I guarantee if you wrote any Corporate Big Wig about OC on their establishments from ANY restaurant, you'd get the same response as CB. So do we stop eating out?
    That is a quantum leap and hardly accurate.

    Off of the top of my head (no cites) Darden Industries (Red Lobster & Olive Garden), Starbuck's, McDonald's have all said they follow state law = if it's legal OK. Others are of a similar bent, which I think are in the greater majority - most would prefer it be a non-issue. They just do business and leave the welcome mat out for all LAC.

    I OC everyday, everywhere I eat. I have been asked to not OC in 2 restaurants: Cracker Barrel and one other local eatery. That is 2 of thousands in the Greater Richmond demographic market. Find the same thing to be true in my travels to other states where OC is legal.

    The question is not whether they have given permission, but whether they deny/withhold permission to expressly OC. Cracker Barrel has done that.

    In my area LEOs are not anti-OC - if they are in yours then change that through education and positive interaction.
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    Cracker Barrel Bans Gun Owners

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    SNIP Off of the top of my head (no cites) Darden Industries (Red Lobster & Olive Garden)
    Has Red Lobster changed their policy? VCDL still has them listed on the gun-owners unfriendly list while also implying that all Darden Restaurants are the same.

    That being said, I have carried to both Red Lobster and Olive Garden without incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Has Red Lobster changed their policy? VCDL still has them listed on the gun-owners unfriendly list while also implying that all Darden Restaurants are the same.

    That being said, I have carried to both Red Lobster and Olive Garden without incident.
    I will look into that - I also OC in both.

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    See the change was posted on January 13, 2013 - I am surprised as this issue was hashed out satifactorily several years ago. Will investigate further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    I thought that there was a case for OC in GA in a Cracker Barrel where the OC prevented a robbery. I remember that the criminals even told the cops that they were waiting for the armed customer to leave so they could rob the place.

    I will look it up again later unless someone remembers and links it.

    No one has responded yet, but the incident you reference was not CB but Waffle House in Kennesaw Georgia...

    http://www.examiner.com/article/open...bbery-kennesaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post
    No one has responded yet, but the incident you reference was not CB but Waffle House in Kennesaw Georgia...

    http://www.examiner.com/article/open...bbery-kennesaw

    Thanks for the correction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Did you not read post #4?

    Cracker Barrel is decidedly anti OC - policy is they won't say anything if they can't see it.

    Been through it here in Va. where we had regular breakfasts over seveal years at a local Cracker Barrel - told no more, went through the regional manager, then to corporate where we were told No OC. We haven't been back since.

    A local manager may elect to ignore the policy, but you're still filing the wallet of a non-freedom supporting company.
    yes I did and I am just saying our local Cracker Barrel overlooks OC, been there with friends that have been OC, yes they noticed, no sign on the door as is required under MI law, and not a single word period....
    Was in one in KY different friends same story....
    multiple other states in my travels same as above...

    In my too many trips there the only issues I have ever had is with slow service due to real bad watress...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    yes I did and I am just saying our local Cracker Barrel overlooks OC, been there with friends that have been OC, yes they noticed, no sign on the door as is required under MI law, and not a single word period....
    Was in one in KY different friends same story....
    multiple other states in my travels same as above...

    In my too many trips there the only issues I have ever had is with slow service due to real bad watress...
    Just because some managers choose not to enforce (or are ignorant of) the policy, does not mean the policy does not exist. If you have no qualms supporting this Corporate policy financially, then okay. But don't mistake one manager's discretion for the company's stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    It seems that this question came up about two years ago (judging from an incredible amount of traffic on this site and others found during a simple Google search). The net upshot seemed to be a chorus of, "Hey, I OC at CB all the time. The food is good. We have OC meetings there."

    All of that is true. I can tell you from personal experience. However, if CB indeed has a policy that allows a local manager to eject carriers, then we should't be patronizing CBs anywhere. Just because your tyrant is benevolent, you'll tolerate him???

    I have a call in to CB corporate. I will not patronize any CB until I get a call back. I will patronize NO CB if even one manager is allowed to eject carriers. Anyone who does patronize CB it this is indeed corporate policy is supporting the behavior. It is your choice to do so, and I will defend your Liberty to exercise that choice. Just don't give me the hypocritical nonsense that you are supporting your local CB because they haven't yet ejected you. You are supporting the corporation, and it seems that they are supporting ejecting carriers.

    If this is correct, and not a single rogue manager not following corporate policy, then move your meetings--even from individual stores that have been OC friendly.
    Did you ever get a response?

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