carolina guy
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not much to be gained "arguing" your point once the LEO has decided to detain/arrest...
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4th Circuit ruling supporting the 4A
- Thread starter MKEgal
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not much to be gained "arguing" your point once the LEO has decided to detain/arrest...
eye95
Well-known member
And record it all.
Also, assume that the detention is lawful (you have no way of knowing whether it is or isn't, and follow your State's law regarding responding to demands for identification.
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Deanimator
Regular Member
I NEVER leave the house armed without some sort of voice recorder running.
FAR too many things can happen in which you need proof of what you said and did.
We-the-People
Regular Member
Now can we get a similar ruling in the 9th circuit?
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
I have been thinking about printing a business card with the Miranda warning on it with Right to Remain Silent in bold and highlighted, and underneath the rights "Am I free to leave?". Then I don't even have to say a word just hand them the card.
OC for ME
Regular Member
I think that there may be a "furtive" movement in there somewhere.
How about a ball cap with those two phrases?
eye95
Well-known member
When I first saw that, my mind saw cap and ball. I wondered if you weren't suggesting threatening the officer with inscribed antique ammo!
The business card is a great suggestion. Print your name, address, and birthdate on another card. If he does not indicate that you are free to leave and demands identification, hand him that card too.
Deanimator
Regular Member
It would probably freak the cop out, and that's to the good. They count on being able to intimidate or fluster you.
Shut them down cold without an opening and they must be at a total loss.
MKEgal
Regular Member
I like the idea, though about the only time I wear a hat is at the range. (Once in a while in the summer, to keep the sun off my head, ears, & neck & out of my eyes, but I prefer to avoid the sun altogether.)OC for ME said:
If there's an event planned where there might be some official-type people in attendance who maybe don't understand the laws about lawfully-armed citizens as well as perhaps they could or should*, have T-shirts with "am I free to go?" on the front, back, & both sleeves.
*[Is that put delicately enough so as not to be "cop-bashing"?]
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eye95
Well-known member
Some do. "They" (a generalization) don't.
OC for ME
Regular Member
Ah, a well timed two piece ammo reference that completely eluded me. You have one-upped me Sir. Well played.
"Scuse me officer, I must refrain from any further interactions while I accoutrement myself, please bear with me for a moment."