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    Gun Barn Gouging

    I finally found a mag for my sidearm, an M&P, and they ripped me for 75 dollars. I saw that the tags were stacked, so I gently pulled the stickers off one by one just to see. The one under the sale price was 49.99, and the .price, drumroll..... 38.99!!!!!

    What a rip. I will be contacting the BBB, and posting this as many places as possible.

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    The Gun Barn
    12163 N M-15
    Otisville MI

    810 631 2333

    http://otisvillegunbarn.gunsamerica.com/Home.htm
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    Was this one owned by John Wayne or something? $75 is very steep .. but you won't get anywhere with BBB IMO .. keep updated if you contact them

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    What really cracks me up is I was able to pick up a 20 round magazine for 45 dollars for the same gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    What really cracks me up is I was able to pick up a 20 round magazine for 45 dollars for the same gun.
    More is less .. wait, less is more , wait wait wait!!!


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    The 20 round magazine was bought at a different location. I wish they would of had my stock 15 round magazine. Probably would of save me a bundle.

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    Gun Barn Gouging

    It is not a rip-off. It was an offer of merchandise for a given price that was accepted.

    There is no such things as gouging or assault weapons. There are free markets and rifles.

    At the Exchange, our prices do not go up when commodities become scarce. Our prices are set by formula based solely on last received cost. The result of not raising prices? Items out of stock and purchase limits (rationing).

    Free markets guarantee availability of commodities because the care folks show in naturally limiting their purchases because of high prices ensure maximum availability of product for those who really need the item. How do you know they really need it? They pay the high price. The high price demotivates demand and motivates supply, which naturally regulates the market at production levels that cause reasonable profit and reasonable prices and reasonable availability and demand being met.

    God Bless gouging free markets!


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    I am sure that everyone is aware why these prices are the way they are. To defend businesses who intentionally mark up items like this because of past events and the ban scare, would be no different than to defend every gas station in this country who tripled their prices just because of 9/11. IMO
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    Gun Barn Gouging

    If the market bears it, I will defend stations for tripling prices after 9/11. Again, it ensures that what folks need will be available. If the prices are artificially held down, supply and demand be damned, folks will load up on the commodity at the artificially low prices and there will be shortages. Folks will not be able to get what they need.

    When prices are naturally allowed to spike when supply and demand get out of whack, people limit themselves to only that which they need, holding demand down more closely to supply levels, making the product available to more people.

    If you believe in Liberty, you believe in free markets and prices allowed to float according to supply and demand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    I am sure that everyone is aware why these prices are the way they are. To defend businesses who intentionally mark up items like this because of past events and the ban scare, would be no different than to defend every gas station in this country who tripled their prices just because of 9/11. IMO
    Businesses have to replace their inventory, unless you know the wholesale price, how do you know they are gouging




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    "Out of stock."

    If the item were $75, it would probably still be in stock at a level sufficient enough to meet the demand of those who need it, but not those who merely want it.

    At about $40, it obviously could not meet the demand of those who want it, let alone need it.

    Free markets work.


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    There is a big difference in probably and obviously, and that although I agree with the general concept of free market, I feel that you are over compensating for it. Allowing this behavior because of the ban scare has already caused these magazines prices to go up. By the way I did not need the magazine, I wanted it. The long term problem is, that it will cause these prices to stay up. You brought up gas prices in your example, so I will use them in mine. The gas companies raise the prices way up, knowing ahead of time that they will lower them to a higher rate than they were at first, and they will have us thanking them for essentially ripping us off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    ... Allowing this behavior because of the ban scare has already caused these magazines prices to go up. By the way I did not need the magazine, I wanted it. The long term problem is, that it will cause these prices to stay up...
    Allowing this behavior? You rewarded that behavior by purchasing at the inflated price even though you didn't need the product.

    The scared buyers grabbing everything they can find at absurd prices is the only cause. When these buyers stop paying that much, the price will come back down to a sane level for the rest of us.

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    I only bought it because I wanted a forth magazine, not because I needed it or was rewarding this behavior. This was the only place I found it and it was their last one. I am not scared about getting what I can before I am not able to. I am trying to before this same magazine would of cost me 100+ dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    I only bought it because I wanted a forth magazine, not because I needed it or was rewarding this behavior. This was the only place I found it and it was their last one. I am not scared about getting what I can before I am not able to. I am trying to before this same magazine would of cost me 100+ dollars.
    They'd only raise the price again to $100 if enough people are willing to pay $75 for a product which is actually worth far less. When people stop paying $75, they'll lower the prices back down to move inventory again.

    It's simple supply and demand. You're participating in it to negative effect on the demand side while complaining about a store participating in like manner on the supply side. By what other model do you think it should work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    I only bought it because I wanted a forth magazine, not because I needed it or was rewarding this behavior. This was the only place I found it and it was their last one. I am not scared about getting what I can before I am not able to. I am trying to before this same magazine would of cost me 100+ dollars.
    Report yourself for being a sucker who paid twice retail for something you did not NEED. You WANTED a forth mag and paid a ridiculous price. If you had zero mags and needed one, then any price would have been worth it but not for a forth! mag. Fool. We should all thank you for helping the market prices go up, the more idiots who pay double, the longer the prices will stay double.
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    Re: Gun Barn Gouging

    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    Report yourself for being a sucker who paid twice retail for something you did not NEED. You WANTED a forth mag and paid a ridiculous price. If you had zero mags and needed one, then any price would have been worth it but not for a forth! mag. Fool. We should all thank you for helping the market go prices up, the more idiots who pay double, the longer the prices will stay double.
    Yeah and then complaining about the store when he chose to pay the price ... shakes head....

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    Seriously OP?? You cannot pay the price AND whine about it!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATM View Post
    Allowing this behavior? You rewarded that behavior by purchasing at the inflated price even though you didn't need the product.

    The scared buyers grabbing everything they can find at absurd prices is the only cause. When these buyers stop paying that much, the price will come back down to a sane level for the rest of us.
    Ding Ding Dign we have a winner!!

    I have to say this is the first thread I have ever seen Complaining about price gouging where the OP payed the price!!! The original post was nothing more then....Waa Waa Waa look at me!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by markush View Post
    Ding Ding Dign we have a winner!!

    I have to say this is the first thread I have ever seen Complaining about price gouging where the OP payed the price!!! The original post was nothing more then....Waa Waa Waa look at me!!!
    In early 2003 I wanted the new Dodge SRT-4. I went to the dealer and got on the waiting list. A few months later when the car was released I got a call to come pick the car up. Shockingly enough, the dealer casually mentioned he wanted $25,000 for the car even though it stickered at $19,995(very high demand vehicle). I politely told him to go F himself. I did a dealer search, found the car I wanted at MSRP in Chicago. I flew there, bought it and drove it home. Did my original dealer get the $5,000 over sticker eventually?? I'll never know but I also don't care.

    On other occasions when I "had to have something" I've paid more than retail, but was happy because I got the item I wanted when I wanted it for a price I was willing to pay. Only idiots pay more than they want to pay and then complain about it.

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    It's called capitalism. Laws of supply and demand. I have some statements that put this thread in perspective. If a group of items is facing a possible ban (or any reason to cause the product to be more in demand with less quantities available ) and there is very little supply then prices will rise (possibly steeply). The fact is that you for some reason thought that $75/mag was a good enough deal to buy it.

    This is from my perspective. I research any product I'm going to buy because I have limited funds budgeted for those items. I know how much the going rate (price) is for what I'm looking for by research and actively seeking the lowest price without sacrificing quality by going with a cheaper item. I did this recently when I decided I wanted some extra high cap mags for my H&K USP Compact 40. Those mags even before the madness were not easy to find and go from $30-45/mag. After research I found the best places to look for these items was not retail shops who have been pricing items at the current going rates but private sellers. On AR15.com of all places I found a guy who had a large quantity of the exact mags I wanted. He lowered his price to $40/mag and I took him up on his offer and was able to get a pair of mags for $80 that were on the open market going for $150+/mag.

    The key thing to learn from this is to not buy with impulse which is easier said then done. When I was younger I used to be like that. When I found something I just had to have I bought it without questioning whether I could get a better deal elsewhere. Impulse buys are usually the worst decisions made during the buying process. The same can be said about buying any products not just firearm related items. The #1 thing I apply the most scruteny on when making a purchase is a car. I research the car I want for many months and go to many dealerships and speak with a large number of salesmen before I even think of making the purchase. After I've finished all my due diligence I negotiate the price which I already know before hand what the lowest is and what is possible. During negotiation I'm easily able to walk right out of the door of any dealership if I dont feel they're giving me a good deal on the price. (i've done this a large number of times) These processes in the end saves me thousands of dollars every single time.

    The negotiation doesnt always need to be done with firearms but can apply. In retail stores most dealers have fixed prices but smaller the store the more chance you have to try an negotiate a lower price even on market items. The same principals apply. I walked in to my local gun shop right next door to my house and they wanted $35/box 20 rds of 380 auto ammo. I see this all over now but I know for a fact I can find better deals. I'm never willing to pay $1/rd for ammo. I dont care if it's the zombie apocalypse I'll never pay that much for ammo. 2 days after walking out of the store with no ammo for my new 380 I found JHP 380 auto ammo on Natchez for $12.99/box. So moral of that story is instead of blowing $35+tax on a similar box of ammo because I had a feeling I needed it now saved $0.64/rd vs $1.75/rd a huge difference in my mind. I also know in time I can get boxes of ammo for much less then what I paid.

    I can show so many examples of this lately it's not funny. People buying 30 rd mags for $50+/mag and I still am receiving Magpul pmag's for $10-13/mag from online stores. The difference is in the research and patience of waiting till you find the best deal. I hope this helped some people think differently about their purchasing decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    I only bought it because I wanted a forth magazine, not because I needed it or was rewarding this behavior. This was the only place I found it and it was their last one. I am not scared about getting what I can before I am not able to. I am trying to before this same magazine would of cost me 100+ dollars.
    Lol complain about the price and then still purchase it. You wonder why they charge so much much when impatient people like you just buy it anyways.

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    the derp is strong with this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougwg View Post
    the derp is strong with this one
    The saying "you can't fix stupid" is once again proven by this thread.

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    If someone offered you $200 for the magazine, would you sell it?

    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    I am sure that everyone is aware why these prices are the way they are. To defend businesses who intentionally mark up items like this because of past events and the ban scare, would be no different than to defend every gas station in this country who tripled their prices just because of 9/11. IMO
    Another way to look at this is to reverse roles. If someone offered to buy the magazine from you for $200, would you sell it to them?

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