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    NY case regarding spped of passaage of anti-gun law will be heard

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-gun-controls/

    The rules allow for quick passage of bills .. but the intent of these rules I don't think will apply to the gun legislation


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-gun-controls/


    I predict a win for us .. and if not, crap should start hitting the fan.

    The state will claim that the need was immediate but that's going to be a hard sell given that we have had weapons for over 200 years.

    This case will likely effect many other illegal methods being considered by many legislatures of other states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    This case will likely effect many other illegal methods being considered by many legislatures of other states.
    yep.
    and if it goes south, well, the whole purpose of the 2A will begin to show through action
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    yep.
    and if it goes south, well, the whole purpose of the 2A will begin to show through action
    anyone who represents himself in court, has a fool for a client.
    i'd rather be a hammer than a nail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellyfat View Post
    anyone who represents himself in court, has a fool for a client.
    lol, too true in a lot of cases. are you referring to Cuomo? because for obvious reasons; ANYone who represent Cuomo has a fool for a client. "lets ban soda, lets ban styrofoam. maybe next I can try banning drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes. think of the children!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    lol, too true in a lot of cases. are you referring to Cuomo? because for obvious reasons; ANYone who represent Cuomo has a fool for a client. "lets ban soda, lets ban styrofoam. maybe next I can try banning drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes. think of the children!"
    The plaintiff's are representing themselves. I'm sure Cuomo will have the best lawyers New Yorker's can't afford to pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailblazer2003 View Post
    The plaintiff's are representing themselves. I'm sure Cuomo will have the best lawyers New Yorker's can't afford to pay for.
    um, I believe the plaintiffs are lawyers with a LOT of 2A-related experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    um, I believe the plaintiffs are lawyers with a LOT of 2A-related experience
    A monkey could present this case ... the state has to show that an emergency was actually present for them to do what they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    A monkey could present this case ... the state has to show that an emergency was actually present for them to do what they did.
    did they follow the laws for an emergency procedure? because from what I can tell, they bypassed several legal steps even for that route to be used as an excuse. correct me if I'm wrong.
    I believe the purpose of this whole case is for NY to prove the LAWS are constitutional, not the procedure used. or maybe it's both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    did they follow the laws for an emergency procedure? because from what I can tell, they bypassed several legal steps even for that route to be used as an excuse. correct me if I'm wrong.
    I believe the purpose of this whole case is for NY to prove the LAWS are constitutional, not the procedure used. or maybe it's both?
    �14. No bill shall be passed or become a law unless it shall have been printed and upon the desks of the members, in its final form, at least three calendar legislative days prior to its final passage, unless the governor, or the acting governor, shall have certified, under his or her hand and the seal of the state, the facts which in his or her opinion necessitate an immediate vote thereon, in which case it must nevertheless be upon the desks of the members in final form, not necessarily printed, before its final passage; nor shall any bill be passed or become a law, except by the assent of a majority of the members elected to each branch of the legislature; and upon the last reading of a bill, no amendment thereof shall be allowed, and the question upon its final passage shall be taken immediately thereafter, and the ayes and nays entered on the journal. (Formerly �15. Renumbered and amended by Constitutional Convention of 1938 and approved by vote of the people November 8, 1938; further amended by vote of the people November 6, 2001.)

    It's in NY's constitution ... In CT, its in the joint rules ...


    http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...en&as_sdt=4,33

    A good case to read...

    Together with the message of necessity:

    http://effectiveny.org/issue-summary...Immediate-Vote


    The governor is require to state FACTS ... I don't really see any FACTS in his statement ... just the random ramblings of an idiot
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    ah ok, so the answer to my above question is actually both a 'yes' and a 'no' lol. wonderful. hopefully the courts do their job properly
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    ah ok, so the answer to my above question is actually both a 'yes' and a 'no' lol. wonderful. hopefully the courts do their job properly
    The power in NY is vested in their constitution ... so this will have to go all the way up to the supreme court in NY.... the courts in NY have seemingly said : hey, the law is that he has to give a reason ... not that the reason has to be reasonable ...

    In CT, the e-cert process is covered under the Joint rules of the legislature ... and it gives a good deal of deference to the e-cert but not like NY ... their has to be some reasonableness to it or it conflicts with our freedom of information act.


    I think that giving people such power and having so many instances where it has been used inappropriately that it should just be crap-canned .... even though 90% of the time it is used appropriately and for good reason.
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