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    guns in schools

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    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    Great article/opinion piece. However the anti's have found it and are crapping all over it.
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    nothing new there huh.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Great article/opinion piece. However the anti's have found it and are crapping all over it.
    My reasons to OC
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    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    nothing new there huh.
    Nope.

    I hope some from this forum will jump in and fight irrational fear with sound reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Nope.

    I hope some from this forum will jump in and fight irrational fear with sound reasoning.
    sound reason seems scarce on here lately
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    sound reason seems scarce on here lately
    I had to leave the comment section - we are getting our A$$es kicked over there. The LibTards are popping out of the woodwork
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    Could this be blow back from the letter you sent to your school?
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

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    At least open carry by CPL holders is still legal in K-12 schools in Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    At least open carry by CPL holders is still legal in K-12 schools in Michigan.
    Amen, brother, and we intend to watch our politicians and gun orgs like a hawk to ensure it's not compromised away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    At least open carry by CPL holders is still legal in K-12 schools in Michigan.
    As long as you have money to fight the illegal signs. So far, no takers.....but signs are going up.

    The schools have been tipped off- They have nothing to fear for putting up signs.

    We need someone who wants to be a test case...
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    Amen, brother, and we intend to watch our politicians and gun orgs like a hawk to ensure it's not compromised away.
    Its already effectively gone- the signs are going up....who's to stop them?
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    I would be happy to be the test case but alas I do not have the money to fight it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    As long as you have money to fight the illegal signs. So far, no takers.....but signs are going up.

    The schools have been tipped off- They have nothing to fear for putting up signs.

    We need someone who wants to be a test case...
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Re: guns in schools

    It is easy to say a person is willing to be the test case BUT.... the person has no money to do it so alas they must abstain. I have seen this posted so many times it by so many different people I am sick of it.

    Please instead do this. Post nothing about what you know you can never do and instead work on a creative way this can be accomplished without one person being on the hook.

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    OK Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeterkiller View Post
    Rosa Parks didn't wait til she had enough money to be a test case.

    Sean Combs didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.

    Jeff Hamman didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.

    Fatman didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.

    And thank God Almighty that the guy that fired "the shot heard round the world" didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by autosurgeon View Post
    It is easy to say a person is willing to be the test case BUT.... the person has no money to do it so alas they must abstain. I have seen this posted so many times it by so many different people I am sick of it.

    Please instead do this. Post nothing about what you know you can never do and instead work on a creative way this can be accomplished without one person being on the hook.

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    This is why MOC will have an ORGANIZED fight with an educational institution AFTER the CADL case settles favorably.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    This is why MOC will have an ORGANIZED fight with an educational institution AFTER the CADL case settles favorably.
    I know you can't divulge too much, but is there a school already thought of as the top target for this? Not asking for a name, but if you don't even want to answer that at this time, that's cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    I would be happy to be the test case but alas I do not have the money to fight it.
    Do you have a CPL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by budlight View Post
    Do you have a CPL?
    yes I do.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    I know you can't divulge too much, but is there a school already thought of as the top target for this? Not asking for a name, but if you don't even want to answer that at this time, that's cool.
    Yes. We have a defendant in mind. We also have a partner org.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeterkiller View Post
    Rosa Parks didn't wait til she had enough money to be a test case.

    Sean Combs didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.

    Jeff Hamman didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.

    Fatman didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.

    And thank God Almighty that the guy that fired "the shot heard round the world" didn't wait til he had enough money to be a test case.
    Fatman....the A-bomb they dropped on Japan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Fatman....the A-bomb they dropped on Japan?
    Well, twirl my turban, man alive!
    Here comes Mister Five by Five
    He's one of those big fat bouncing boys
    Solid avoirdupois!

    Mister Five by Five
    He's five feet tall and he's five feet wide
    He don't measure no more from head to toe
    Than he do from side to side

    Mister Five by Five
    Got fifty chins and a line of jive
    He's a mellow old cat, a real hep fat
    He be Mister Five by Five

    That man
    Can really jump it for a fat man
    The only trouble is there's no way of knowin'
    Whether he's comin' or ... or goin'
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    Well, twirl my turban, man alive!
    Here comes Mister Five by Five
    He's one of those big fat bouncing boys
    Solid avoirdupois!

    Mister Five by Five
    He's five feet tall and he's five feet wide
    He don't measure no more from head to toe
    Than he do from side to side

    Mister Five by Five
    Got fifty chins and a line of jive
    He's a mellow old cat, a real hep fat
    He be Mister Five by Five

    That man
    Can really jump it for a fat man
    The only trouble is there's no way of knowin'
    Whether he's comin' or ... or goin'
    For the younger crowd...please translate??? You quoting old swing band lyrics - or ....???
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    For the younger crowd...please translate??? You quoting old swing band lyrics - or ....???
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNL5q600suw
    My reasons to OC
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    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    I guessed right! Now if I could just pick the winning lotto #'s.
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    Could someone please enlighten me as to why signs are a problem?

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