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    michigan resident out of state cpl

    I was reading a prior post on this forum and didnt book mark it It was my understanding that if you are a michigan resident and have a non resident CPL that it would not be honored for CC but would allow OC anywhere that a resident CPL would. Maybe it was just a wording loophole but i think it specificaly said OC was allowed with a non resident CPL from "any state" no reference to which state you are a resident of. For CC i know it does state must be resident of state which your permit is issued. Has this been changed or has anyone tested the waters on that one? If i can find it again i will quote the users exact question on post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD78 View Post
    I was reading a prior post on this forum and didnt book mark it It was my understanding that if you are a michigan resident and have a non resident CPL that it would not be honored for CC but would allow OC anywhere that a resident CPL would. Maybe it was just a wording loophole but i think it specificaly said OC was allowed with a non resident CPL from "any state" no reference to which state you are a resident of. For CC i know it does state must be resident of state which your permit is issued. 1. Has this been changed 2. or has anyone tested the waters on that one? If i can find it again i will quote the users exact question on post.
    1. Read MCL 750.234d. The language hasn't changed since the post you are referring to.
    2. No one has "tested the waters", that I know of -- ex: gone to court over it or set any otherwise binding precedent.
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    Thanks for the info was posting for a friend who is a current michigan resident but still has a valid out of state CPL and will likely be moving away before he could even obtain a resident CPL

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    Michigan honors all other Resident Permits/Licenses to carry concealed firearms.
    Michigan Does Not Honor Non-Resident Permits/Licenses. You must be a resident of the state they honor for your permit to be valid in Michigan


    1362404307/**http://handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf

    But no where in actual michigan law do i see that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD78 View Post
    Michigan honors all other Resident Permits/Licenses to carry concealed firearms.
    Michigan Does Not Honor Non-Resident Permits/Licenses. You must be a resident of the state they honor for your permit to be valid in Michigan


    1362404307/**http://handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf

    But no where in actual michigan law do i see that....
    They're referring to concealed carry.
    750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty.
    (2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

    750.231a Exceptions to MCL 750.227(2); definitions.
    (a) To a person holding a valid license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by his or her state of residence except where the pistol is carried in nonconformance with a restriction appearing on the license.

    750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
    Sec. 234d. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
    (a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution. (b) A church or other house of religious worship.
    (c) A court.
    (d) A theatre.
    (e) A sports arena.
    (f) A day care center.
    (g) A hospital.
    (h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the
    Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
    (2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
    (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
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    Re: michigan resident out of state cpl

    Quote Originally Posted by FORD78 View Post
    Thanks for the info was posting for a friend who is a current michigan resident but still has a valid out of state CPL and will likely be moving away before he could even obtain a resident CPL
    Tangentially related to the OC by a Michigan resident question: is your friend truly a Michigan resident under the law?
    See MCL 28.425b
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    By that law yes would be considered a legal resident. There surely must be an easier way to write and police these laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD78 View Post
    By that law yes would be considered a legal resident. There surely must be an easier way to write and police these laws.
    Can't do that - it is easier to make everything tricky - this keeps: them, the lawyers, the police and the jailers employed...

    No sarcasm intended.
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    would hate to have them on unemployment with the rest of the state!!!!

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