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    Let's build a conspiracy theory!

    To illustrate the silliness of most conspiracy theories, let's build one that has every bit of "evidence" as [stuff] like the Sandy Hook conspiracy does. We'll use the same techniques: questions as "proof," photos that "show" what they don't really, confusion of identities, scientific "facts" misused, genuine (usually incredibly minor) mistakes assumed to be intentional, nefarious, material, and important, and misdirection to a new bit of "proof" as soon as one piece is thoroughly dismantled, usually circling back around to the first bit of discredited "proof" once the last bit is completely refuted.

    So, what we need first is a major event, for which there is a simple explanation. Then we need some group with evil intent. We substitute some complicated explanation of how the event was engineered by the group to further their evil intent. Then we will look for "proof," which I guarantee we will be able to uncover!

    Suggestions for the major event?

    Remember, it does not matter how many people would have to willingly go along or be duped.

    Let's have some fun with this. Who knows? It could go viral, and some folks could end up believing it!

    Anyone? Bueller?

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    I thought I put this in the Social Lounge. Maybe I did. Why would I have put it in General? Don't the mods and admins have the authority to move it? Wouldn't their moving it serve to discredit me and what I am trying to do?

    I mean it couldn't possibly be because I made a mistake! Nope. Someone did this!



    Anyway, please move the thread to the Social Lounge.

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    OK.

    Remember, we have to pick an event first.

    THEN, if you think squirrels are a group with nefarious intent, you need to find a way to blame them. For example, if you pick the Kennedy Assassination (please don't), you'd find some motive for the squirrels, and then figure out how the squirrels killed Kennedy.

    Unless of course you are part of the group of admins, mods, and members who are trying to discredit me and destroy this thread!

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    here's an event:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TF0imqn5w

    conspiracy: the government is secretly training young women for impeccable aim and concentration and reaction times, targeting white males.
    and look, she was picked from the audience as a "random volunteer" even though she showed no sign of being overly enthusiastic about it like the girl sitting behind her was
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    Let's build a conspiracy theory!

    That is funny. That little girl is GOOD! Well, better than Stiller.

    Anyway, are you part of that evil group trying to discredit me by derailing this thread? J'accuse!


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Suggestions for the major event?
    Pearl Harbor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyBoy276 View Post
    Pearl Harbor.
    Why you gotta go picking on the Germans? What did a Nazi squirrel ever do to you?

    stay safe.
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    Bluto!

    Where ya been? I thought you were dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Bluto!

    Where ya been? I thought you were dead.
    Double-secret bonus points!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

    stay safe
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    Let's start with the sink holes around the world.

    The Government has a large tunnel boring machine that can go 7 miles per day. Maybe the sink holes are the tunnels collapsing because the lizard people don't like the governments boring tunnels underground.
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    Let's build a conspiracy theory!

    Closing the doors to the White House, because. They plan declaring war on Nort Korea


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    Let's build a conspiracy theory!

    I am slightly amused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    So, what we need first is a major event, for which there is a simple explanation. Then we need some group with evil intent. We substitute some complicated explanation of how the event was engineered by the group to further their evil intent. Then we will look for "proof," which I guarantee we will be able to uncover!

    Let's have some fun with this. Who knows? It could go viral, and some folks could end up believing it!

    Anyone? Bueller?
    The current administration will push the envelope of what the American people will tolerate, implementing outrage after outrage, until we actually create the event for them. That way we provide them with the "justification" that they need to unleash some of those 1.6 billion rounds of recently acquired ammo upon us. There you have the group, how it was engineered to provide them with a high level of deniability, and the "truth" will be in the outcome. The truth of any occurrence is always provided by the victor... be it wolf or sheep. Pax...
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    Remember, it is not a theory if it is true. You are also not paranoid if "they" really are out to get you. Tinfoil hats do work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Remember, it is not a theory if it is true. You are also not paranoid if "they" really are out to get you. Tinfoil hats do work.
    Until you can PROVE it, it remains a theory regardless of how true it appears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    Until you can PROVE it, it remains a theory regardless of how true it appears.
    The theory of relativity, the theory of gravity, the theory of forward moving time, etc.
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    How hard would it be to connect the huge ammo purchase by DHS being needed to both arm and and then practice fire control for the 1,00's of drones that will be plying our skies soon?

    The drones are already equipped with monitors to detect armed civilians as well as intercept cell phone calls so using them to take out those so armed or who utter certain key words is not far fetched.

    Time for some to change their tinfoil hat for a combat helmet....think it may be necessary.

    Hey, you guys asked...I am only complying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    The theory of relativity, the theory of gravity, the theory of forward moving time, etc.
    Gravity is a law on this planet, and you have no choice but to obey it (if you wish to test that law, step off the roof of a tall building). Pax...

    P.S. And time moves forward primarily by general acceptance via the observation of "progress". One would have to achieve a speed of 186,000mph to pause time ("they" say).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Gravity is a law on this planet, and you have no choice but to obey it (if you wish to test that law, step off the roof of a tall building). Pax...

    P.S. And time moves forward primarily by general acceptance via the observation of "progress". One would have to achieve a speed of 186,000mph to pause time ("they" say).
    Wouldn't that be per second?

    I remember reading somewhere that they found that even at Jet speeds time changes....I have to go find that again.
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    Let's build a conspiracy theory!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Gravity is a law on this planet, and you have no choice but to obey it (if you wish to test that law, step off the roof of a tall building). Pax...

    P.S. And time moves forward primarily by general acceptance via the observation of "progress". One would have to achieve a speed of 186,000mph to pause time ("they" say).
    The alteration of the passage of time based upon speed has been demonstrated. Identical, incredibly precise clocks have been compared after one was sent winging around the Earth at over 17,000 mph while the other remained (relatively) "stationary" on the ground. The clock on the spacecraft measured the passage of less time than the one on the ground--and to an extent that verified the theory about time stopping altogether at the speed of light in a vacuum.

    Gravity is a phenomenon that we all observe and accept. However, any "laws" on the subject attempt to explain how it works, and all have flaws. Newton was wrong. Einstein was wrong. However, both explanations have enough utility in certain circumstances that we continue to use them with great efficacy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Gravity is a law on this planet, and you have no choice but to obey it (if you wish to test that law, step off the roof of a tall building). Pax...

    P.S. And time moves forward primarily by general acceptance via the observation of "progress". One would have to achieve a speed of 186,000mph to pause time ("they" say).
    The theory of stable or even gravity. It can be observed and defeated. Stable or even gravity can be disproved. With any of these 'laws' of physics if you can have one anomaly that cannot be explained by it then the law is false.

    Since space is NOT a vacuum and because you can never truly have a vacuum Einstein's theory can not ever be proven because it relies on something that can never truly be created.

    As for time, it's never really been proven to exist anywhere except in our minds, besides there is the theory in quantum physics that says that nothing exists until it's been observed by a higher consciousness. If that is true that would deny the theory of forward only time.

    Then you have the "laws" thermal dynamics that contradict each other.

    So can you PROVE that time does not ever flow in reverse? Can you prove that time flows at all? Can you prove that movement thru time is only in one direction? If you cannot then monodirectional time movement is still only a theory.

    Can you prove that gravity works the same everywhere? No, you cannot not. Magnets create conditions that seem to defy gravity. A theory is being tested that superfluid motion can nullify gravity. It's talked about in some ancient texts.



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    So for a 'government' sponsored conspiracy theory, let's look at physics as it's taught even at the college level.

    Newtonian physics is still being taught which does not put an equation for the spin of an object when calculating speeds and Y movement. This is why Russia almost got to the moon before we did. Our Nazi scientists kept missing their targets in space by over shooting by at least 10% over projected energy carried. (The thing being launched went 10% farther than predicted based on Newtonian physics calculations). If you want the cite then read "DARK MISSION THE SECRET HISTORY OF NASA."

    The theory is that the government wants to keep us dumbed down so we cannot discover sources of unregulated free energy.

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    Another sponsored conspiracy theory.

    The government wants us to believe that comets are nothing but dirty "snow ball" and that the tails of the comets are a plume of snow and ice being ejected into space. Part of this theory is that the government wants you to believe that it would take a comet impacting the earth for it to cause total devastation when if using the whole gravity equations you can find that it would not have to hit earth to destroy it and that the governments would rather start WW3 than have use looking to the heavens to see what might destroy us if our fellow man fails at their attempt.

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    The moon is a artificial satellite.

    IF the moon has been a liquid ejecta that cooled like we are told then it would be spinning because liquids are noted to spin while in a zero g environment. IF the moon was in liquid state and then cooled into a solid the spin would have been imparted into the solid object thus creating a spinning body. However the moon is maintaining a same side toward earth state much like that of the communication satellites that we use. Also the estimated mass is wrong based on the density that would result from a cooled liquid ejecta theory. Thus making the moon an artificial satellite that the governments don't want you to realize because that would mean that not only are there other races "out there" but that we might not even be from earth ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Wouldn't that be per second?

    I remember reading somewhere that they found that even at Jet speeds time changes....I have to go find that again.
    You're absolutely correct - mps not mph. Habit, I guess. I'm not used to talking/typing about speed in miles per second! Pax...
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    Time, Speed, Distance...

    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    The alteration of the passage of time based upon speed has been demonstrated. Identical, incredibly precise clocks have been compared after one was sent winging around the Earth at over 17,000 mph while the other remained (relatively) "stationary" on the ground. The clock on the spacecraft measured the passage of less time than the one on the ground--and to an extent that verified the theory about time stopping altogether at the speed of light in a vacuum.

    Gravity is a phenomenon that we all observe and accept. However, any "laws" on the subject attempt to explain how it works, and all have flaws. Newton was wrong. Einstein was wrong. However, both explanations have enough utility in certain circumstances that we continue to use them with great efficacy.


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    Now that you mention it, I recall reading about that experiment a couple of decades ago... and, as I recall it, you are right on target. You, SVG and F1Man all make some excellent points. All measurements are man-made constructs, and, because we are imperfect, those things that we do are rarely flawless. Our measurement constructs are (more-or-less) globally accepted, the primary difference being the means of recording - km-miles, inches-mm, etc. There are, by necessity, defined methods to convert measurements from one system to another that have been accepted by acclamation. Without the evolution of measurement systems we would still be using things like the "cubit", which was as inconsistent as was the distance from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Time is flexible, yes... but we have neither the practical means of, nor reasons to engage in, modifying time... yet. Right now, doing so is an exercise in scientific mental masturbation - "Well, we learned something today Fred.", "Yes we did, George... what the hell are we going to do with that knowledge?", "BTS outta me today, Fred. Maybe tomorrow."

    That which we call a banana, is only a "banana" in English-speaking countries. In Germany it is "banane", in Russia "banun"(sp), etc. My point here being, that systems of measurement and identification, concepts and constructs, are influenced by cultural, social and linguistic variables. However, we have the practical means (translation) by which to bridge those variables. Although it may be fun, the ability to modify time by a few (man-designated) "seconds" has no practical purpose at this point. Time is what we have determined it to be by general, global consensus. (I realize that in times past I would be considered either a nut case or a heretic, and the services of Tomas Torquemada would be called down upon me for even having such odd opinions.) Pax...
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    Here's mine: katsung is actually an anti-firearms advocate who comes here to post crazy conspiracy theory BS in order to get people to associate people who carry for self defense with craziness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    Here's mine: katsung is actually an anti-firearms advocate who comes here to post crazy conspiracy theory BS in order to get people to associate people who carry for self defense with craziness.
    I conspire with you about this conspiracy.

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