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    AG office wants CPL info to go public?

    State Panel to Consider Possible Lifting of Public Disclosure Exemption for Gun License Applications

    While Democrats in the Washington state House are being whipped into a full lather by Gov. Jay Inslee and even national luminaries pushing a gun control agenda to pass a sweeping new requirement for universal background checks for all gun purchases, there’s another relevant issue on the agenda of an unelected committee next week that deserves some mention in the debate.
    On Mar. 19, the Sunshine Committee – a 12-member panel within the office of Washington state’s Attorney General – is scheduled to review the current exemption for licenses to carry and conceal pistols.
    There is legitimate worry that if the Legislature passes a bill to require universal background checks and the exemption is lifted, the private information of law-abiding gun owners could be easily obtained including addresses, employment history, even medical records that are researched prior to permit issuance.
    We inquired by email Monday with the Attorney General’s Office about what prompted placing the concealed pistol permit exemption on next week’s agenda but did not receive a reply.
    The Sunshine Committee was formed to review exemptions from the state public disclosure laws and was created by a law proposed to the Legislature by former Attorney General Rob McKenna.
    http://www.nwdailymarker.com/2013/03...-could-change/

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    http://www.atg.wa.gov/page.aspx?id=31052#.UUACHxysiSr

    PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE AGENDA
    Public Records Exemptions Accountability Committee
    John A. Cherberg Building
    Conference Room ABC
    Olympia, WA
    March 19, 2013, 9:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.

    1. Call to Order
      1.1 Introductions/Roll Call and Establishment of Quorum
      1.2 Adoption of agenda for March 19, 2013
      1.3 Review and approval of October 16, 2012 meeting minutes
    2. Old Business
      2.1 Sunshine Committee Recommendations – Legislative update
      2.2 Archives Proposal
      2.3 Rodne/Kline replacement
      2.4 Schedule of Review/Code Reviser List of New Exemptions
      A Plan for Committee Action in 2013
    3. New Business
      3.1 Elect Vice Chair
      3.2 Exemption Reviews
      A. Investigative Exemption at RCW 42.56.240
      (Rammerman proposal/Ford proposal)
      B. Sex Offender Information at RCW 4.24.550
      (Related documents)
      C. Concealed Pistol License Applications at RCW 42.56.240 & RCW 9.41.070
      (Related documents)
    4. Other Business
      4.1 Burdensome Record Requests – discussion
      4.2 Public Comment
    5. Adjournment



    http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles/...CW9.41.070.pdf
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    Fine. My replacement/renewal will use the address of LESA.

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    Fine with me. All government records should be public and very easily accessible.

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    I wonder if a case could be made for a violation of the 4th. ...personal affairs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Fine with me. All government records should be public and very easily accessible.
    Great, so I expect to see your tax return and your social security reports posted publically on this thread.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Fine with me. All government records should be public and very easily accessible.
    No, not fine. They published the names of CPL (or whatever they call it there) holders to set them up for burglaries as a means to retaliate against them for owning guns back East, that much is obvious.

    The exemptions to the public records act are there for a reason. There's not a lot of them.

    So are you also of the opinion that all photographs and reports of teenage rape victims should also be published in the name of open government?

    Having a CPL really shouldn't be necessary. We have the right to bear arms in defense of self and state according to the WA State Constituion, why do we need to pay for a permission slip, especially if that permission slip is going to make a burglary map?

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    Great; then every left-wing employer, college and rental owner will be denying everyone with a CPL.

    Are they wanting people to feel like this?

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    Why not publish the name and address of every hunter and fisherman detailing their catch records while they are at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Great, so I expect to see your tax return and your social security reports posted publically on this thread.....
    I don't file and I don't have one.

    If you claim there is a requirement to file and/or have a (mark of the beast) SSN then please produce those citations.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmg50cal View Post
    Great; then every left-wing employer, college and rental owner will be denying everyone with a CPL.

    Are they wanting people to feel like this?

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    Why not publish the name and address of every hunter and fisherman detailing their catch records while they are at it.
    Better yet the home address of every judge, police officer, mayor, city/county council member, etc.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Better yet the home address of every judge, police officer, mayor, city/county council member, etc.
    Of course they claim an exemption for them....

    All they will end up doing is have more people not getting CPL's.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Of course they claim an exemption for them....

    All they will end up doing is have more people not getting CPL's.
    Which is the goal.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    OK so how many of us are going to go the the hearing, we can debate the legality of this later we can complain later but right now we need to flood the meeting with people, how many are going to make it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    OK so how many of us are going to go the the hearing, we can debate the legality of this later we can complain later but right now we need to flood the meeting with people, how many are going to make it?
    Mar 19, right? I'll go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    OK so how many of us are going to go the the hearing, we can debate the legality of this later we can complain later but right now we need to flood the meeting with people, how many are going to make it?
    I will be there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Fine with me. All government records should be public and very easily accessible.
    Public Disclosure is to scrutinize government, not citizens, thus exempting CPL holders makes sense to protect individual privacy.

    CPL's are not 'government records' the details on them are private records. The aggregate information (i.e. # of CPLS, by zipcode, etc) is information that may be shared.
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    Automobile license information is not available to the general public...amd automobiles are more dangerous then firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    I don't file and I don't have one.

    If you claim there is a requirement to file and/or have a (mark of the beast) SSN then please produce those citations.
    Was that comment directed at you? No it was not. Don't thread jack the discussion
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    I've called up a few of the committee members. One of them, Rodne, is my representative and I think we can count on him to help hold the line.

    The other one I called was a democrat and I think his name was Skinner, or Springer or Sprinker, and his legislative aide acted very formal in taking my message but gave me the impression she was going to blow me off.

    We need to remind them what happened in New York and not let it happen here.


    Here is the full roster of the committee, start calling and emailing these people!
    http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles/...ster8-9-12.pdf

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    I would love to come, being a newcomer, I would like to see how this works never have gone to see something like this.Should be very informative.would like to ride with someone if possible willing to help with gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Was that comment directed at you? No it was not. Don't thread jack the discussion
    PM me then. Besides you're the one that went off topic with your initial remark.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Having a CPL really shouldn't be necessary.
    That's the answer, right there. No records=nothing to produce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    That's the answer, right there. No records=nothing to produce.
    Too true.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Automobile license information is not available to the general public
    Actually it is. While declared "private", vehicle registration information is available under very broad "exceptions". DOL even has a form on their web site for requesting the information.


    http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/224003.pdf
    Last edited by deanf; 03-13-2013 at 09:14 PM.

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    Great, so I expect to see your tax return and your social security reports posted publically on this thread.....
    You, a private person, are asking me, a private person, to directly provide you with records which may or may not exist.

    Do I have to explain the vast differences between that and public government records to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    You, a private person, are asking me, a private person, to directly provide you with records which may or may not exist.

    Do I have to explain the vast differences between that and public government records to you?
    You're right. You should be more fearful that the government has it than a private individual..

    Wish I could go to the meeting, been working more OT than I probably should while pregnant though.

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