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    Will Utah Concealed Carriers Be Betrayed by Governor Herbert?

    Utah HB-76 Was approved by the Utah Senate today. Governor Herbert was so opposed to HB-76 -- Constitutional Carry -- that he summoned the sponsor, State Representative John Mathis (R-Vernal) for a little talk.

    Why did Rep. Mathis get a scolding? Because the bill was "too pro-gun for Governor Herbert."

    Herbert said he made it clear he wants the bill to be limited only to rural areas.

    Evidently Governor Herbert thinks if you live in a city, your Second Amendment rights mean less than those of others.

    Personally, I believe that it's the potential loss of state revenues that motivates him to stand against Constitutional Carry, more than any other factor. I think the "smart money" is on the Governor's exercise of his Veto power. Pax...

    (However, with a 22 Senate votes in favor of the bill, and only 7 against, his veto would only be a political gesture. It should become law since it is over a 2/3 majority.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Utah HB-76 Was approved by the Utah Senate today. Governor Herbert was so opposed to HB-76 -- Constitutional Carry -- that he summoned the sponsor, State Representative John Mathis (R-Vernal) for a little talk.

    Why did Rep. Mathis get a scolding? Because the bill was "too pro-gun for Governor Herbert."

    Herbert said he made it clear he wants the bill to be limited only to rural areas.

    Evidently Governor Herbert thinks if you live in a city, your Second Amendment rights mean less than those of others.

    Personally, I believe that it's the potential loss of state revenues that motivates him to stand against Constitutional Carry, more than any other factor. I think the "smart money" is on the Governor's exercise of his Veto power. Pax...

    (However, with a 22 Senate votes in favor of the bill, and only 7 against, his veto would only be a political gesture. It should become law since it is over a 2/3 majority.)
    I spoke with one Senator on Saturday evening who said they kind of hope he does veto it so they can call a special session and override his veto.

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    I sent Gov. Herbert a tweet today encouraging him to SIGN HB76 into law and SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION!
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    Re: Will Utah Concealed Carriers Be Betrayed by Governor Herbert?

    Tweet call and just short of stopping by to drop of my letter later this week.

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    I see in the bill where a person would still need a conceal permit to carry on a school campus/daycare/etc. but I cannot find out if this would affect the "Two actions to fire" rule for those who don't hold a permit.

    Will someone please shed some light on this for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0neZ View Post
    I see in the bill where a person would still need a conceal permit to carry on a school campus/daycare/etc. but I cannot find out if this would affect the "Two actions to fire" rule for those who don't hold a permit.

    Will someone please shed some light on this for me?
    Concealment WITHOUT permit as allowed by this bill (if NOT vetoed by Herbert) is limited to UNLOADED ONLY ---- It is in the bill!

    For those without a permit the only thing they gain is the ability to "cover" if desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Concealment WITHOUT permit as allowed by this bill (if NOT vetoed by Herbert) is limited to UNLOADED ONLY ---- It is in the bill!

    For those without a permit the only thing they gain is the ability to "cover" if desired.
    DOH!!

    I don't how how I missed that.

    Thanks for the assist.

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    And I like this bill because: for the criminal who carries ILLEGALLY it changes NOTHING...
    For the Law abiding Citizen/Resident if provides for increased freedom and lessens the government encroachment in their lives!

    It isn't as good as it could have been but is an improvement!
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
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    Angry Veto

    By now I am sure everyone knows that the Governor did indeed VETO the bill. It will be interesting to see if the legislature does hold a special session to override the veto.
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