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    Older (2009)? Youtube -- Ohio OCer harassed...should have just kept his mouth shut

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS9t6LNRsUg

    In the video (which is mostly black screen) the OCer is harassed by Ohio police...who immediately order him to the ground and handcuff him.

    He is then heard repeatedly trying to "convince" the LEO that he is wrong and should read his pamphlets. He should have just shut up after establishing the situation (for future use) and getting the officer to admit the detainment/arrest. IMO, the OCer sounded "whiny" and unsure, and he wonders why he wasn't taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I agree the OC'er should have said less but I think he did fine.

    Being accosted and assaulted by men with guns is very nerve wracking and can throw even the best activists off their game.

    All the more reason to practice being quiet.
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    Oh, wait, was baiting the police.

    This is police baiting.
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    I see no evidence of baiting. I see a person walking about, doing nothing illegal, but expecting (no doubt from past experience) that he would likely (but not definitely) be accosted unlawfully by a LEO, and therefore, being prepared.

    Again, for examples of "baiting," do a search of this site on the word "embody." As a matter of fact, to aid in the distinction between behaving routinely with a gun and deliberately baiting officers into an encounter, I suggest we stop saying "baiting" and start saying "embodying" instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I see no evidence of baiting. I see a person walking about, doing nothing illegal, but expecting (no doubt from past experience) that he would likely (but not definitely) be accosted unlawfully by a LEO, and therefore, being prepared.

    Again, for examples of "baiting," do a search of this site on the word "embody." As a matter of fact, to aid in the distinction between behaving routinely with a gun and deliberately baiting officers into an encounter, I suggest we stop saying "baiting" and start saying "embodying" instead
    Gotta agree with you on this...sounded like he was just out and about and (luckily) was recording. The LEOs could not have sounded much less professional (as far as actual legal/job knowledge)...and the OCer really should have stopped whining. But, as far as "baiting"...no...I think he just thought he could impress them with his knowledge, and found out that they were not interested in listening to him.
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    I am sure that they are faced with lots of detainees who claim to know the law, but know as little as this officer demonstrated that he knew. The instant that an officer shows any stubbornness in his view of the law, attempting to educate him is a waste of time.

    Just keep demonstrating your knowledge of that law by asking if you are free to go, leaving as soon as he says that you are (or making a careful attempt to leave if he does not answer), not answering questions, repeatedly stating that you consent to no searches or seizures, etc.

    Of course, be recording every second you are in public with an OC'ed firearm.

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    I wonder if he got a settlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I see no evidence of baiting. I see a person walking about, doing nothing illegal, but expecting (no doubt from past experience) that he would likely (but not definitely) be accosted unlawfully by a LEO, and therefore, being prepared.

    Again, for examples of "baiting," do a search of this site on the word "embody." As a matter of fact, to aid in the distinction between behaving routinely with a gun and deliberately baiting officers into an encounter, I suggest we stop saying "baiting" and start saying "embodying" instead
    I should have marked it as sarcastic.
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