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    Stafford teachers get training for active shooter

    Stafford teachers get training for active shooter

    So many things I want to say about this article... I'm afraid I would be banned from further comment.

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    Probably starting with saying something about the fact that every single time a teacher got their hands on a gun their finger went inside the trigger guard. (I'm sure they were yanking away on it while goinging "Pew! Pew! Pew!" in their head.)

    Where is the walkie-talkie that connects to 911?
    Schools have waklie-talkies that connect to 911? Wonder if the Stafford Country Sheriff's Department knows about that and keeps them plugged in to the charger bases.

    Even if it takes just two minutes for police to arrive to a scene, that can be too long, said Martello, explaining how to grab onto a gun to disarm a shooter.
    Sure. Let teachers think they can grab a gun away. And all without practice.

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    Hopefully many of them realized that when there is a real threat, your on your own. The police are NOT there for who knows how long. Hopefully they realized that they are responsible for themselves as the courts have ruled repeatedly. Of course we all know that, but many of them, I'm guessing got a little bit of a wake up call. Cmon think positive guys.
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    “The alternative to fighting is dying,” he said. “That really is the way it is. That’s the reality.”
    Retired 1st Sgt. Frank Martello
    That sure beats the 'just give the bad guy what they want' advice that has been SOP for many police departments over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Stafford teachers get training for active shooter

    So many things I want to say about this article... I'm afraid I would be banned from further comment.

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    Well you have to admit that at the minimum, it is a step in the right direction. At least they're talking about this and starting some sort of program. It beats just telling them to cower and plead... then die. Maybe at the end of this "rainbow" some real common sense might enter the picture in the form of teachers and administrators having firearms on their persons. It beats digging a deeper hole in the sand into which they can place their heads.

    Maybe there's a glimmer of hope out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Well you have to admit that at the minimum, it is a step in the right direction. At least they're talking about this and starting some sort of program. It beats just telling them to cower and plead... then die. Maybe at the end of this "rainbow" some real common sense might enter the picture in the form of teachers and administrators having firearms on their persons. It beats digging a deeper hole in the sand into which they can place their heads.

    Maybe there's a glimmer of hope out there.
    +1!

    Def a step in the right direction.

    Like others mentioned, at least they aren't telling people to "vomit and urinate on themselves to repulse the attacker" lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by HearseGuy View Post
    +1!

    Def a step in the right direction.

    Like others mentioned, at least they aren't telling people to "vomit and urinate on themselves to repulse the attacker" lol
    This made me laugh as I enjoyed a mental imagine of some people actually doing this. Maybe they could cause the killer to laugh himself to death..... nah, ain't gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Well you have to admit that at the minimum, it is a step in the right direction. At least they're talking about this and starting some sort of program. It beats just telling them to cower and plead... then die. Maybe at the end of this "rainbow" some real common sense might enter the picture in the form of teachers and administrators having firearms on their persons. It beats digging a deeper hole in the sand into which they can place their heads.

    Maybe there's a glimmer of hope out there.
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    +1!

    Def a step in the right direction.

    Like others mentioned, at least they aren't telling people to "vomit and urinate on themselves to repulse the attacker" lol
    I see it as a step sideways - it avoids the answer virtually screaming to be heard: you stop a life threatening attack with equal or greater force. Arming teachers and/or staff is the only answer that meets the classroom criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    I see it as a step sideways - it avoids the answer virtually screaming to be heard: you stop a life threatening attack with equal or greater force. Arming teachers and/or staff is the only answer that meets the classroom criteria.
    I agree. A very small sideways step. The idea is great but the reality is flawed.

    It takes months of training to try to fight an armed attacker, years to be good at it and you'd still probably get shot.

    What they're teaching is in essence, suicide with good intentions. Still better than just sitting there...

    BTW a lot of rape prevention instructors used to teach students to gag themselves so they threw up on the attackers.
    I knew a girl in high school who drank a lot who would throw up on you even if she was willing....worked real well

    Anyway....it's a start I guess. I wonder when they'll try this program in Virginia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Anyway....it's a start I guess. I wonder when they'll try this program in Virginia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    ?

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    The story just said Stafford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    The story just said Stafford.
    Ahh.. you mean the rest of Virginia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Ahh.. you mean the rest of Virginia!

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    I was sure we gave that to Maryland on the promise they wouldn't try to give it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blk97f150 View Post
    that sure beats the 'just give the bad guy what they want' advice that has been sop for many police departments from liberals over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    I see it as a step sideways - it avoids the answer virtually screaming to be heard: you stop a life threatening attack with equal or greater force. Arming teachers and/or staff is the only answer that meets the classroom criteria.
    Absolutely correct.

    But at least they're doing something other than telling the teachers to use a whistle or scream or lock the doors and play dead. I would bet there are a fair number of teaches in Stafford who would like nothing better than to have the option of going armed while at work. So maybe the push has begun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I was sure we gave that to Maryland on the promise they wouldn't try to give it back.
    Oh hell no. I wouldn't give any of Virginia to Maryland. Look what they've done over there to themselves already and are trying to do now.

    Must I keep trying to convince you people south of Fredericksburg that there really are some true blood, diehard Virginians up here? Trust me, we do exist.
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    At least it BEGINS to address reality.

    These teachers for the very first time got an inkling that they are ON THEIR OWN in an active shooter situation. It is definitely a step in the right direction, just a baby step. If teachers start to realise the stupidity of the GUN FREE ZONE, they might just start to object and they have much more traction on the issue than the rest of us.
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    I hold no particular high hope for such talks and active shooter response demonstrations. Hope someone is there with a stop watch that understands the difference between seconds and minutes !
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    I had a chat with an elementary school principal this evening about active shooter situations. She said that the school's "wishes" are basically to hide and pray. Her personal feeling was escape, evade, fight back.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    I had a chat with an elementary school principal this evening about active shooter situations. She said that the school's "wishes" are basically to hide and pray. Her personal feeling was escape, evade, fight back.......


    Maybe, there's hope on the horizon.
    The French mentality after WWI. And we see how well that served them in 1940.

    This is indeed, sad. Worse than sad, it borders on criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    The French mentality after WWI. And we see how well that served them in 1940.

    This is indeed, sad. Worse than sad, it borders on criminal.
    Just WW1 ??? But while we're on the topic of making fun of the French ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scouser
    "Americans, you think you have a monopoly on disliking the French, well us English have a 1000 year head start on you"
    Having said that, I should point out that in my youth I spent several vacations in rural France and met nothing but really nice people. It was only when I went to Paris that I met the bad examples.

    Back on topic, I just hope Henrico schools get a better idea of how to respond in the next couple of years before we have to entrust Logan to their care, just about anything is better than 'hide and wait'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    Just WW1 ??? But while we're on the topic of making fun of the French ...



    Having said that, I should point out that in my youth I spent several vacations in rural France and met nothing but really nice people. It was only when I went to Paris that I met the bad examples.

    Back on topic, I just hope Henrico schools get a better idea of how to respond in the next couple of years before we have to entrust Logan to their care, just about anything is better than 'hide and wait'.
    I was speaking specifically of the period after WWI and was not making fun of the French, merely stating what happened over there during that time. As a nation, France turned passive. It started showing up in their schools, their home life, and their culture in general. They gave up the warrior spirit. Germany did not do this. Quite the contrary as by the early 1930's, the various splinter political groups trying to gain power in that country had given way to the rise of National Socialism, which in 1933 began in earnest to rearm. In 1940 France still had a fairly large military machine in some respects, but it was overrun in six weeks resulting in their capitulation to the Nazi's. They didn't stand a chance.

    Now our resident historians may want to correct anything here I might have missed or gotten wrong, but that's how I understand, in a nutshell of course, what took place in France during the twenty years following the end of WWI. We also went through a period of disarmament and destruction of military equipment. By 1938, we were woefully undermanned and under machined in matters military. But one of the miracles of the 20th century took place between December, 1941 and the summer of 1942 with our war production in full gear.

    By war's end, we had 101 aircraft carriers operational (we built 141 of them). We produced 87,000 war vessels of all kinds, 325,000 war planes of all kinds, and our merchant marine was 2 1/2 times larger than the rest of the world's combined. That and a nuclear program that produced three deliverable devices, and one test device, by the end of the war. Once we got cranked up, the end of Germany and Japan was inevitable. Of course, some major blunders by Hitler helped a heck of a lot, but Germany could never hope to match our output.

    Oh well, back in my hole I go. Catch you good people later.
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    Very Good trip through time SB!

    The reason history repeats itself is because we're too stupid to learn from it. A good history lesson now and then might just change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Very Good trip through time SB!

    The reason history repeats itself is because we're too stupid to learn from it. A good history lesson now and then might just change that.
    Thank you. Your comment, "The reason history repeats itself is because we're too stupid to learn from it" I think what happens here is that as new generations take hold and power, they become convinced that previous generations didn't do it quite right. That they know better and if just given the opportunity, will complete what failed in the past and not make those same mistakes because, well.... they know better. We see it today just as we saw it twenty years ago and in the 60's. You can paint this picture different colors but the fact remains that the essence of the message is the same. Just look at the reasons for the fall of Rome, then see what is happening in Europe today.

    History does indeed repeat itself, time after time after time. May you're right. Maybe it is stupidity after all. Stupidity fed and used by sinister opportunists. Lenin's useful idiots know no national boundaries.
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    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

    America First!

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