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    Angry Sen. Green's bills at a stand still

    Read this article today and I find it somewhat disheartening. Maybe we need to start hammering out government "representatives" about this.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/i...l#incart_river
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    Re: Sen. Green's bills at a stand still

    I have always been of the thinking that without a united front ( meaning thousands of contributing members ) working to regain rights(2A); it will be a long hard road in MI. MOC, & MGO don't have the funding needed. MOC to it's credit tries very hard.

    If you look at the states where major gains have been made: VA, AZ etc... you will see a template for what's needed in MI in my honest opinion. Good luck and keep the fire under their feet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    Wasn't there a thread about Sen Green being told to back off on this, and now this news comes out?
    Let's not start the celebrations just yet.
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    Wasn't there a thread about Sen Green being told to back off on this, and now this news comes out?
    My guess is he was told that they have other "more important" stuff to deal with ATM. This is what my senator (Hildenbrand) who happens to be the assistant majority leader told me. Now Senator Green is waiting for a good time to push again.

    The notion that we should save our energy until we are able to be effective and not allow the opposition to organize seems logical to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    Let's not start the celebrations just yet.
    As I stated in the earlier thread, the proof will be in what actually gets accomplished. Hopefully (I think) Q will come along soon and give us an insider's point of view...well, as much as he feels able to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt8261 View Post
    My guess is he was told that they have other "more important" stuff to deal with ATM. This is what my senator (Hildenbrand) who happens to be the assistant majority leader told me. Now Senator Green is waiting for a good time to push again.

    The notion that we should save our energy until we are able to be effective and not allow the opposition to organize seems logical to me.
    Isn't that what we were told over the past session?
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Here we go again:

    "If it ran through committee, it would just sit on the floor anyway," Green said Thursday, March 21. "I'd rather sit down with the people it affects and work out some sort of compromise."


    Compromise, like criminalizing open carry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikestilly View Post
    Here we go again:

    "If it ran through committee, it would just sit on the floor anyway," Green said Thursday, March 21. "I'd rather sit down with the people it affects and work out some sort of compromise."


    Compromise, like criminalizing open carry?
    Instead of stirring that pot again, why not wait and see what, if any, compromises are proposed/made?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    As I stated in the earlier thread, the proof will be in what actually gets accomplished. Hopefully (I think) Q will come along soon and give us an insider's point of view...well, as much as he feels able to say.
    Q made a policy statement a few months ago that he won't discuss legislation on OCDO as it only leads to butthurt. If you want to discuss legislation with me, this thread has a twin on MOC's forum.

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    Sen. Green's bills at a stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    Seems when you talk about butt hurt you are referring to your own butt hurt.
    I thought bigt negotiated a cease-fire with you. It appears that you are already breaking it?
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Last edited by Raggs; 03-23-2013 at 04:35 PM.
    My reasons to OC
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    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
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    6. Because it's perfectly legal
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    Sen. Green's bills at a stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    I am simply pointing out that it seems you have some butt hurt issues, a cease fire if that is what I agreed to would not mean I have to let you claim that butt hurt only happens on the otherside of the debate from you when it seems the butt hurt stems directly from your butt.
    Cease fire over, got it. My comment wasn't aimed at you, but you wanted to make it personal. So be it.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theq View Post
    My comment wasn't aimed at you. I'm sorry you felt it was. Please do not take it personally.
    What was this thread about again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt8261 View Post
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    What was this thread about again?
    I think it was about whether Midol makes a suppository. ..
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

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    Sen. Green's bills at a stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    I think it was about whether Midol makes a suppository. ..
    Think they make one that I can fire with my airsofts? I need target practice...
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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