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    Un small arms treaty March 2013

    I have posted this on a few different threads but can't seem to get much conversation about it going. We all know that they are meeting now (3/13) in NY to discuss this. It is my understanding that this treaty had been "killed" and has no chance of ever coming back. Am I celebrating to soon or am I overlooking/misunderstanding something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    I have posted this on a few different threads but can't seem to get much conversation about it going. We all know that they are meeting now (3/13) in NY to discuss this. It is my understanding that this treaty had been "killed" and has no chance of ever coming back. Am I celebrating to soon or am I overlooking/misunderstanding something?
    It does not matter what is voted on in the UN, if it is not ratified by the Senate and the House it's just wasted paper, and it would never be ratified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Yes, to all three.
    Explain please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod View Post

    It does not matter what is voted on in the UN, if it is not ratified by the Senate and the House it's just wasted paper, and it would never be ratified.

    Only the Senate would have to ratify such a treaty for it to be binding in America. The House has nothing to do with treaties, only the Senate.
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    I just read that the final vote is tomorrow. If anyone hears the outcome please share.
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    I heard that the final meeting over the small arms treaty is today. It's almost 10 pm and I can't find a thing. Anyone know the outcome?
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    Iran, North Korea, and Syria blocked the consensus so right now it looks to be on hold.

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    Like a cat's hairball, they'll retch it up - Urrp - again and again until it passes.

    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    I have posted this on a few different threads but can't seem to get much conversation about it going. We all know that they are meeting now (3/13) in NY to discuss this. It is my understanding that this treaty had been "killed" and has no chance of ever coming back. Am I celebrating to soon or am I overlooking/misunderstanding something?
    Like any gun control, like a cat's hairball, they'll retch it up again and again until it passes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    Only the Senate would have to ratify such a treaty for it to be binding in America. The House has nothing to do with treaties, only the Senate.
    The 17th amendment is more insidious than I realized, this makes central control more easier this way, because they still use the constitutional provision you just provided which was originally meant to make sure the states, the ones who formed the union, had an ability to nullify federal law .
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