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    Rumors of big NRA treason won't die

    http://mobile.politico.com/story.cfm...50&cat=topnews

    The article talks about secret talks still going on with the NRA and certain senators.

    As has been said many times by many people, "background checks" have NOTHING to do with background checks. If they were really concerned about checks they would open NICS up to private sellers. But, they don't. Instead it's only open to FFL's which are required to keep form 4473, SO THAT THERE IS A PAPER TRAIL TO YOUR GUNS. And that's the facts.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Open NICS up to private sellers? How would that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Open NICS up to private sellers? How would that work?
    By mail ... I would guess ... wait for it in the mail !

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    NICS can be accessed via computer. The interface is quite simple. However, each user of NICS has to have a security certificate that is issued only to FFLs and their employees. The reason for this is to protect the information on people that is kept by the government from other people except on a need-to-know basis. Do you want anyone on a whim run a NICS check on you??

    The solution is not to open up NICS to all. It is either to do away with NICS or to make it something that an FFL can choose to use or not use. Background checks simply do not work and only serve to make obtaining firearms difficult for the law-abiding, making them an infringement. Unfortunately, they are an infringement that the American People have gullibly accepted and that will be damned near impossible to do away with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    The solution is not to open up NICS to all. It is either to do away with NICS or to make it something that an FFL can choose to use or not use. Background checks simply do not work and only serve to make obtaining firearms difficult for the law-abiding, making them an infringement. Unfortunately, they are an infringement that the American People have gullibly accepted and that will be damned near impossible to do away with.
    BR checks do NOTHING ... except harass people ... I told this to my legislator and he thought I was from Mars ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Open NICS up to private sellers? How would that work?
    Telephone or computer, just like an FFL. Not that I would ever use it, but if our lawmakers were sincere someone would have proposed this.

    GOA has concerns about an "unholy alliance" now:

    "We now know a lot more about what's going to happen with gun control legislation than we did a few days ago.

    First, the number of the bill we are fighting is S. 649. Harry Reid introduced it on Thursday and brought it directly onto the Senate calendar. This means the bill can now come up at any time — probably soon after the Easter recess is over.

    Second, the bill is a lot worse than even we anticipated.

    We expected it to contain the Veterans Gun Ban, which would mean that you would sell, gift, or raffle a gun in America at the risk of a 15-year prison sentence because of something you didn't know about the veteran/buyer.

    But, surprisingly to us, the Far Left has convinced Reid to include the original Schumer version of the Universal Registry Bill. This would ban private sales of firearms, unless purchasers first get the permission from the government. If Senators can pass this de facto registration bill, they will be well on the way to confiscation (see, for example, Governor Andrew Cuomo in New York, who has a gun owner registry and has called for gun confiscation). If this bill is passed, Senators will claim that they "broke the back" of gun owners in America.

    Third, there is still every evidence that Reid will move to proceed to the bill under "regular order," which means he will need 60 votes to advance to the "gun control buffet."

    GOA has been talking and making our case with a host of Senate Republicans, and we would hope that everyone in the Senate understands the importance of stopping the "motion to proceed" to Reid's gun control legislation.

    Fourth, as we predicted, anti-gun zealots have begun to use the "ObamaCare Paradigm" to threaten, bribe, and coerce senators into submission on the most far-reaching aspects of gun control, including Feinstein's proposal to ban shotguns, rifles and handguns that millions of Americans legally own. So if the "motion to proceed" to S. 649 is adopted with 60 votes, then Feinstein's ban could be passed in the Senate with only 50 votes (plus Biden). Click here for a more technical explanation as to how this would occur.

    Already, articles are being published to intimidate any Democratic Senator who votes against any gun control and threatening them with the prospect of facing an anti-gun primary challenger — just like we saw on ObamaCare.

    Fifth, there may be unholy alliances at work which could succeed in achieving a dangerous gun control compromise. One Capitol Hill newspaper is now reporting that "Sen. Joe Manchin and the National Rifle Association are quietly engaged in private talks on a proposal to broaden background checks on purchasers of firearms." We hope this is not true, however you should be aware of this report and use whatever contacts you have to prevent this from happening. Be assured, you can rely on Gun Owners of America to never engage in any compromises!

    ACTION: The strategy remains: We need to defeat this bill by filibustering and voting down the "motion to proceed" to S. 649. Please contact your senators and distribute this alert far and wide.

    Click here to send your Senators a prewritten email.

    Show up at their offices with a delegation during the congressional recess. Rally and conduct demonstrations and call-a-thons and writing campaigns. Know that the anti-gun Left will be doing the same."
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    NICS can be accessed via computer. The interface is quite simple. However, each user of NICS has to have a security certificate that is issued only to FFLs and their employees. The reason for this is to protect the information on people that is kept by the government from other people except on a need-to-know basis. Do you want anyone on a whim run a NICS check on you??

    The solution is not to open up NICS to all. It is either to do away with NICS or to make it something that an FFL can choose to use or not use. Background checks simply do not work and only serve to make obtaining firearms difficult for the law-abiding, making them an infringement. Unfortunately, they are an infringement that the American People have gullibly accepted and that will be damned near impossible to do away with.
    Oh, it can be by PC .. but that's too fast .... ffls can still do it by mail

    That's the method that the state will make private sellers use .... it suuuuuuucks.

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