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    California gun repo men

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/califo...155325406.html

    California's gun repo men have a tough job!
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    California gun repo men

    From the article...

    "California is the only state that takes legally obtained weapons away from citizens who are no longer supposed to have them. There are almost 20,000 such gun owners, state records show, including convicted felons, people under domestic violence restraining orders, or those deemed mentally unstable."

    Anyone know what the proper procedure someone is supposed to follow when they have been deemed ineligible to own a firearm? Do they have an opportunity to sell or give them away? I have a problem with the government taking private property...

    If they are truly ineligible, I suppose I would rather the government take guns from those who are not legally allowed to have them than to take guns away from the rest of us. Slippery slope though...
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    I like this quote someone on yahoo made.

    If your gun is illegal, they send a SWAT team......if you and your entire family is illegal, they welcome you with open arms.
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    During the March 5 outing, the agents visited a home in Fontana, in San Bernardino County. They were looking for a gun owner with a criminal record for running a prostitution business, according to the attorney general’s office. Marsh says that while the woman appeared to be home, she didn’t come to the door. Without a warrant, the team left empty-handed.

    I tell people in my house .. if the cops come to the door, let them knock all they want ... if they have the right to come in, they'll bash it down and if they don't and they bash it down - now we have evidence of a forced entry or they'll leave. A win-win situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Anyone know what the proper procedure someone is supposed to follow when they have been deemed ineligible to own a firearm? Do they have an opportunity to sell or give them away? I have a problem with the government taking private property...

    If they are truly ineligible, I suppose I would rather the government take guns from those who are not legally allowed to have them than to take guns away from the rest of us. Slippery slope though...
    once deemed ineligible to possess firearms, they usually define a time limit of when you need to forfeit all firearms by. here in CT it is 2 days, 48 hours. And here in CT you can either give them to (or have them be taken by) the gov/leo's, or you can give them to ANYbody else who is legally able to possess them. this means you may sell them, or give them to a family member or a friend or acquaintance, temporarily or permanently, so long as you follow all state laws in doing so.

    IE: my father at one point was put into this situation, and at the time he owned rifles, shotguns, and handguns. he simply gave all the firearms to his father (my grandfather). there was no documentation of any type, no sale, no nothing. just told him the situation, asked if he'd take them for a while and said ok, then brought them all to his house. after the 48 hours was up, a state trooper went to my dad's house stating he was there to collect his firearms, my dad told him he did not have them anymore that he legally gave them to a family member (did not specify who) who was legally able to possess them all and who lives in a different town. the trooper asked if he could come inside and check if there were any firearms in the house, my father asked if he had a warrant, he didn't, so my dad said no. trooper called his supervisor while on the doorstep, told him everything that was stated, then left and never returned. nothing further ever happened. couple years later, oonce my father was eligible again, my grandfather returned all his firearms.

    edit: if a person becomes indefinitely ineligible to possess firearms, they would simply need to follow state laws for getting rid of the firearms permanently. give them to anyone legally able to possess them, or sell them to anyone legally able to purchase them, but making sure to follow state laws in doing so. IE: here in CT you can sell a long gun to anyone of age who you don't have reason to believe is ineligible. so a face to face cash deal with no info traded is fine. but for handguns, the purchaser NEEDS to have a valid CT pistol permit, and the seller and buyer need to fill out a few forms and acquire an authorization number from Dept of Safety and Public Protection (previously known as DPS), and submit the forms to the proper authorities. this also applies to immediate family members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    once deemed ineligible to possess firearms, they usually define a time limit of when you need to forfeit all firearms by. here in CT it is 2 days, 48 hours. And here in CT you can either give them to (or have them be taken by) the gov/leo's, or you can give them to ANYbody else who is legally able to possess them. this means you may sell them, or give them to a family member or a friend or acquaintance, temporarily or permanently, so long as you follow all state laws in doing so.

    IE: my father at one point was put into this situation, and at the time he owned rifles, shotguns, and handguns. he simply gave all the firearms to his father (my grandfather). there was no documentation of any type, no sale, no nothing. just told him the situation, asked if he'd take them for a while and said ok, then brought them all to his house. after the 48 hours was up, a state trooper went to my dad's house stating he was there to collect his firearms, my dad told him he did not have them anymore that he legally gave them to a family member (did not specify who) who was legally able to possess them all and who lives in a different town. the trooper asked if he could come inside and check if there were any firearms in the house, my father asked if he had a warrant, he didn't, so my dad said no. trooper called his supervisor while on the doorstep, told him everything that was stated, then left and never returned. nothing further ever happened. couple years later, oonce my father was eligible again, my grandfather returned all his firearms.

    edit: if a person becomes indefinitely ineligible to possess firearms, they would simply need to follow state laws for getting rid of the firearms permanently. give them to anyone legally able to possess them, or sell them to anyone legally able to purchase them, but making sure to follow state laws in doing so. IE: here in CT you can sell a long gun to anyone of age who you don't have reason to believe is ineligible. so a face to face cash deal with no info traded is fine. but for handguns, the purchaser NEEDS to have a valid CT pistol permit, and the seller and buyer need to fill out a few forms and acquire an authorization number from Dept of Safety and Public Protection (previously known as DPS), and submit the forms to the proper authorities. this also applies to immediate family members.
    But either this or the CA gun stealing requires gun registration and/or gun owner registration. Without one of those there's no way for them to know who "shouldn't" have the weapons. And without actual gun registration there's no way to know if all of the guns are gone or anything.

    Overall that is just not a situation I would want to be in. Which is why I don't want to move to CA or the east coast.

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    Another reason to file a notice of trespass ... just keep them off your land to start ...

    Am I worried about folks having guns who have "lost" this right for some reason or another?

    No. They know what the punishment would be if they are caught with a gun & they law requires them to get rid of it ... what, don't you have faith in our laws?


    Luckily in CT, a bill to fund such SWAT team swarms was approved by a committee and now will be voted on (likely pass) ... and many pro-gunners were duped into supporting the bill.

    I don't have to worry as they cannot come onto my land ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    But either this or the CA gun stealing requires gun registration and/or gun owner registration. Without one of those there's no way for them to know who "shouldn't" have the weapons. And without actual gun registration there's no way to know if all of the guns are gone or anything.

    Overall that is just not a situation I would want to be in. Which is why I don't want to move to CA or the east coast.
    we don't have long gun registration here. we do have a form of handgun registration though, but it's very limited and not very accurate (state law requires records be kept of handguns sold to a CT resident within CT).
    when something legal occurs in CT that makes you ineligible to possess firearms, they give you plain notice that you must forfeit possession of all firearms (not knowing if you do or don't own them). they can however check if you've held a hunting license or pistol permit recently, which leads them to believe you do own firearms. as you said, without registration, there's no way to know for sure. and here in CT, there's no way to know for sure. but if you do get caught with possession of a firearm while deemed ineligible, well, that's obviously criminal possession of a firearm, and no law abiding citizen wants that to happen.

    and yes, more often than not, law abiding citizens are deemed ineligible to possess firearms. restraining orders are the #1 cause for being ineligible to possess firearms. and almost all restraining orders are developed through relationship disputes; mainly divorces that are in the works. even when neither side has broken any law. it's a common tactic taken advantage of by women to make the man look like the bad guy, so the woman gets more out of the divorce. it's even advised by most divorce attorneys to the women, with or without grounds for one, because they are often granted to the women even when there are no grounds for one to be issued.

    food for thought.
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