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    That "militia thing"

    What would happen if 100 or more men showed up at the local town square, formed up, said the pledge of allegiance, saluted the flag, and someone did an inspection? Every man would have a full kit, rifle, sidearm and ammunition. There would be no standard uniform or "unit". They'd then disperse and go home. No running around the woods, no diatribes against tyranny, the UN, or anything else. It would not be associated with any sort of protest. It would be a simple activity in an open carry state.

    I have been thinking about the intent behind the Second Amendment (and state right to keep and bear arms) with all the swirl around gun control. I have noticed that nobody is bringing up the "militia" part of the right. I believe the Founders intended it to be a responsibility of every man to participate in at some level. Yet, today, nobody does it in any formal manner. It seems to me that very few regular shooters are prepared in any sort of way beyond what would be required for the next action shooting match.

    I think this is a fundamental portion of the right to keep and bear arms. It seems to me that we should begin to engage in this activity independent of politics or protests.

    This is just a thought, nothing more. I'm curious if others have been thinking about this too.

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    Militia is a reference to Organized, State-sanctioned Militia; not Cletus and his band of degenerates getting together to prepare for and/or fight a perceived tyrannical Government.

    You can act like you're forming or militia, and/or actually form a militia, that's not an exercise of your Second Amendment Right, that's just an exercise.

    I was discussing this with an acquaintance today, and they were telling me that they're going to rise-up with millions of other patriotic Americans and fight the Government, mind you, he looked like he can't seem to fight his way away from a box of twinkies. My point is, the Government has professionally trained troops...the average American who is looking to form a militia, better get physically ready, inn the event they may have to cash the check their mouth wrote. My prediction will be: Most of the 80 million firearm owners will sit down, and shut the heck up if (it won't happen) the Government came knocking on their door to confiscate their firearms.

    Or they will go out like a non-patriotic punk, like, for instance: Jimmy Lee Dykes. He comes out from his homemade bunker, shoots a school bus driver, takes a kid hostage, all because he thinks the Government is coming after him. It makes me wonder what would have happen if he was able to get together a militia. Perhaps they would have taken the whole school bus full of kids.
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    Cletus LOL

    But really, Mao started out will a few peasant, uneducated farmers and took over his country that had an excellent army and police forces.

    It can be done ... and I think it can be done against the US military more easily than Mao's adversary.

    Its one of the anti's arguments ... well, you can't win ... its simply not true.

    There are only about 2 million soldiers ... all uniformed , easy to spot, easy to kill.

    You can probably walk right up to most of them if you had a mind to.

    And the pizza delivery guy? Like a nuke ! All bases wave him right in ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady
    Militia is a reference to Organized, State-sanctioned Militia; not Cletus and his band of degenerates getting together to prepare for and/or fight a perceived tyrannical Government.


    10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes


    (a)
    The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b)
    The classes of the militia are—

    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Cletus LOL

    But really, Mao started out will a few peasant, uneducated farmers and took over his country that had an excellent army and police forces.

    It can be done ... and I think it can be done against the US military more easily than Mao's adversary.

    Its one of the anti's arguments ... well, you can't win ... its simply not true.

    There are only about 2 million soldiers ... all uniformed , easy to spot, easy to kill.

    You can probably walk right up to most of them if you had a mind to.

    And the pizza delivery guy? Like a nuke ! All bases wave him right in ...
    Your example of a militia forming from grass roots isn't going to be a boon for support of militia sprouting-up in this way.

    You forget, there are about 2 million soldiers with the backing of the absolute Power, and resources of the Federal Government.

    I admit that if our Federal Government were wanting to crush Americans, they could, and there would be no Country to stop them...unlike when other Countries do it, or attempt it, but are quailed by the backing of the US...no one will come to our aid, NO ONE! I can't blame them, not after ten years in Afghanistan and Iraq, raising hell in places we don't belong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
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    10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes


    (a)
    The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b)
    The classes of the militia are—

    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    Not you again...I thought I got rid of you!

    I agree, they would be considered a militia, but not a Militia.--I'm sure you understand the distinction I just made.
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    I can only speak for myself and hundreds of other people I have served with when I say that were our forces to be mobilized against our own citizens those at the top would find themselves with a sudden decrease in available manpower.

    People who talk about our country and its servicemembers like we'd all be willing accomplices are outside of their heads completely.

    A few thousand Fedayeen/Republican Guard/Taliban/Al Qaeda throw major wrenches in the works of the worlds most well organized, all volunteer fighting forces, you could not even imagine a scenario of countrymen on countrymen at a ratio of at least 4:1 in the militias favor. Even with drone support, thermal/night optics, night-strike capability etc, you cannot win that fight. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Not you again...I thought I got rid of you!

    I agree, they would be considered a militia, but not a Militia.--I'm sure you understand the distinction I just made.
    The magical inference, to save face, that the capitalization of a word in this case changes the definition.

    Still backpedaling with the worst of them eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    I can only speak for myself and hundreds of other people I have served with when I say that were our forces to be mobilized against our own citizens those at the top would find themselves with a sudden decrease in available manpower.

    People who talk about our country and its servicemembers like we'd all be willing accomplices are outside of their heads completely.

    A few thousand Fedayeen/Republican Guard/Taliban/Al Qaeda throw major wrenches in the works of the worlds most well organized, all volunteer fighting forces, you could not even imagine a scenario of countrymen on countrymen at a ratio of at least 4:1 in the militias favor. Even with drone support, thermal/night optics, night-strike capability etc, you cannot win that fight. Period.
    Nothing a bit of propaganda won't fix. Goebbels proved that. Yes, there will be some service members who won't play ball, but most will.

    They throw a wrench in it because we follow certain rules. But as I stated: If the Federal Government took to its own citizens, who would assure the hand wasn't so heavy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    The magical inference, to save face, that the capitalization of a word in this case changes the definition.

    Still backpedaling with the worst of them eh?
    No backpedaling, merely pointing out a detail you obviously missed. Your crude attempt at deviating from your flawed presumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    No backpedaling, merely pointing out a detail you obviously missed. Your crude attempt at deviating from your flawed presumption.
    So you are stating that there is historical inference between a lower case and an upper case m?

    Cite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    So you are stating that there is historical inference between a lower case and an upper case m?

    Cite.
    There is. I'm not going to give you the specific quote(s), but I will direct you to the vacinity: The Federalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    There is. I'm not going to give you the specific quote(s), but I will direct you to the vacinity: The Federalist.

    Happy hunting, my OC friend.
    I have read the Federalist papers.

    Cite. Now.

    Or forever hold your peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    I have read the Federalist papers.

    Cite. Now.

    Or forever hold your peace.
    If you have Reade the Federalist, then there is nothing for us to discuss. Don't blame me if you missed that particular detail.

    People, when you read the Federalist, Read it, don't merely read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    If you have Reade the Federalist, then there is nothing for us to discuss. Don't blame me if you missed that particular detail.

    People, when you read the Federalist, Read it, don't merely read it.

    (5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

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    ​Cite to your authority or be reported for violation of the rules.

    Do it now or hold your peace.

    Also, which Federalist paper specifically covers the militia?

    Hint: Its Hamiltons #29, "Concerning the Militia"
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    (5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

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    ​Cite to your authority or be reported for violation of the rules.

    Do it now or hold your peace.
    *looks around* Ok, I will throw you just one more bone, and that's it!: Posse Comitatus.

    It's in the Federalist. I promise, you will find it, if you Read the Federalist.

    There is one paper that specifically covers Militia. And there are others that reference Militia. There is a distinction made, by inference, and it has to do with Militia and Posse Comitatus.

    Now, I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, there are many militia that can be formed, but there is only one Militia.
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    This is sad.

    Beretta. You aren't qualified to comment from an educated standpoint on the federalist papers, and nothing within the appropriate one (Hamiltons #29, "Concerning the Militia" by the way...) makes any distinction between capitalized and uncapitalized variations of the word.

    By the way, for the amusement of those involved, simply highlight the large open space at the bottom of my last post for some lulz.

    Beretta didn't even know which paper it was and is still, likely, googling it at this moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    *looks around* Ok, I will throw you just one more bone, and that's it!: Posse Comitatus.

    It's in the Federalist. I promise, you will find it, if you Read the Federalist.

    There is one paper that specifically covers Militia. And there are others that reference Militia. There is a distinction made, by inference, and it has to do with Militia and Posse Comitatus.

    Now, I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, there are many militia that can be formed, but there is only one Militia.

    Obey forum rules or be reported for non-compliance:

    Where is your citation as mandated by forum rules? Cite now, or forever hold your peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    This is sad.

    Beretta. You aren't qualified to comment from an educated standpoint on the federalist papers, and nothing within the appropriate one (Hamiltons #29, "Concerning the Militia" by the way...) makes any distinction between capitalized and uncapitalized variations of the word.

    By the way, for the amusement of those involved, simply highlight the large open space at the bottom of my last post for some lulz.

    Beretta didn't even know which paper it was and is still, likely, googling it at this moment.
    I'm not making my references to the Federalist under the guise of a qualified, or educated standpoint; I did not claim to.

    Your question was regarding inference, not actual. read your previous posts. Please, pay attention to what you write.

    People, don't Google for information on the Federalist, get a copy of it, and read it in it entirety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    Obey forum rules or be reported for non-compliance:

    Where is your citation as mandated by forum rules? Cite now, or forever hold your peace.
    Let's look it over, and see if I'm breaking any rule:

    (5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

    Rules of the forum.
    I'm breaking ZERO rules. I did not state a rule of law. I simply references the Federalist, and what it infers.

    Report me. If a moderator thinks that I stated a rule of law, they can tell me to comply, and I will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I'm not making my references to the Federalist under the guise of a qualified, or educated standpoint; I did not claim to.

    Your question was regarding inference, not actual. read your previous posts. Please, pay attention to what you write.

    People, don't Google for information on the Federalist, get a copy of it, and read it in it entirety.
    Do you or do you not claim that there is a difference between a capitalized [M]ilitia and non-capitalized [m]ilitia?

    Clarify.


    Here, for the viewing pleasure of everyone, is the entire Federalist Paper #29: Link

    "militia" is mentioned 28 times. Once it is capitalized, but there is NO distinction as it is mentioned 27 other times in lower case, all representative of the same thing.
    "posse comitatus" is mentioned 3 times.

    Next time you are in D.C., I will happily throw on my "LGBT Ally" shirt and march you over to the Library of Congress.

    You can then go through the entire list of documents as I have, and make excuses for the lack of difference between the two. Be ready to stay here for a week or two. There's only 85 of them. Also, "Concerning the General Power of Taxation" (30-36) is boring as hell. So be ready for that.

    Your embarrassment is your own. You own it.

    Now cite, or continue to embarrass the hell out of yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    Do you or do you not claim that there is a difference between a capitalized [M]ilitia and non-capitalized [m]ilitia?

    Clarify.


    Here, for the viewing pleasure of everyone, is the entire Federalist Paper #29: Link

    "militia" is mentioned 28 times. Not once is it capitalized.
    "posse comitatus" is mentioned 3 times.

    Next time you are in D.C., I will happily throw on my "LGBT Ally" shirt and march you over to the Library of Congress.

    You can then go through the entire list of documents as I have, and make excuses for the lack of difference between the two.

    Your embarrassment is your own. You own it.

    Now cite, or continue to embarrass the hell out of yourself.

    There is an inference.

    No need to slap on the shirt...you can go shirtless.

    LGBT Ally LMAO! That's awesome.

    I'm incapable of being embarrassed.

    That would be pretty awesome, though, going through them all, discussing them. I wonder if I could get a local group together for that.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    There is an inference.

    No need to slap on the shirt...you can go shirtless.

    LGBT Ally LMAO! That's awesome.

    I'm incapable of being embarrassed.

    That would be pretty awesome, though, going through them all, discussing them. I wonder if I could get a local group together for that.
    My mother is a lesbian. My sister bisexual. My sister-in-law (my motorcycle riding "buddy") is a lesbian.

    I am a humanist.


    Now stop being dramatic and uneducated in your responses. The man needed the appropriate definition of what a militia was, and instead of citing you made a dramatic appeal to your uneducated opinion, which makes you look like a blatant ass.

    Citing does matter.
    Being accurate does matter.

    So taking your own advice maybe you should, "Read the Federalist papers".
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    On "Personal Responsibility just after the previous, in the same exact thread.
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    Religion uses is as a tool, they did not create it.
    The wheels on the bus go round and round...round and round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Nothing a bit of propaganda won't fix. Goebbels proved that. Yes, there will be some service members who won't play ball, but most will.

    They throw a wrench in it because we follow certain rules. But as I stated: If the Federal Government took to its own citizens, who would assure the hand wasn't so heavy?
    This is not what I found out when I interviewed officers on varying occasions about this very topic. Specifically, about whether or not they would carry out an executive order to begin confiscating privately held arms. To a man, the responded that most officers and the majority of enlisted personnel would refuse to obey the order. Their reason? Such an order would be illegal and after all, they took an oath of service to the Constitution and therefore they could not obey such an order, not to mention Posse Comitatus.

    Suppose something like this actually unfolded. This is a big country and the federal government doesn't have enough personnel to do this quickly... it would take some time. State and local police are not likely to help the feds (there may be some who would) so that slows things down even more. Some sheriffs would arrest any feds who tried this sort of nonsense in their counties. And then there is this.

    You can bet there would be some shooting and blood letting if this began. So let's say the president declares martial law, disbands the Constitution, and does involve the military. Now the thing escalates a bit. The military is made up of people all over the nation. So now we have some personnel from Oklahoma getting into small fire fights in, say, Pennsylvania and people are getting killed, homes destroyed. This Oklahoma troops are thinking, "Hell if this is happening here in Pennsylvania, I'd bet it's also happening back home where I come from". They might have second thoughts about firing on people knowing full well their families, neighbors, and friends are getting fired upon where they are from.

    Trying to do a full scale confiscation at the federal level or worse, open hostilities between the federal government and the citizens is not going to go well for the feds. Especially in light of the mood of the country over the past four years. There is real division and that is a fact. But open hostilities is an entirely different matter. Not saying it can't happen, just saying if it does, things might not turn out as planned by Washington.
    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
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    10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes


    (a)
    The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b)
    The classes of the militia are—

    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
    She keeps saying it. You keep pointing out that she is wrong. And she keeps saying it! Is it that she can't learn, she won't learn, or she has learned but does not care, intending to keep spreading the lie?

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