Traffic stop

Arma1911 said:

The LEO will likely respond with a "Yes, you are being detained. I caught you speeding (changing lanes w/o signalling, running a red light, etc.)." WHEN he asks us again, "Do you have any weapons in the car?" how then should we respond?

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How's the weather?, I think I saw you get beat up on cops, I wish Friday was here, OK, nothing, I don't know

Arma1911 said:

The LEO will likely respond with a "Yes, you are being detained. I caught you speeding (changing lanes w/o signalling, running a red light, etc.)." WHEN he asks us again, "Do you have any weapons in the car?" how then should we respond?

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"Officer, no offense. I know you're just doing your job, but I would never answer questions without an attorney."

Citizen said:

"Officer, no offense. I know you're just doing your job, but I would never answer questions without an attorney."

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LALALALALA

i got pulled over last year, by a city kitty. i accidentally handed him my CHP (was with my licenses) though my gun was laying on the console of my truck. he hadn't even noticed it

LEO; where if you firearm (kudos for him not calling it a weapon)
me; right here on the console
LEO;i am going to come around and get it
me; no thank you. it is safer right where it is at. BTW i locked the door and would have refused to unlock it
LEO; a little shocked. but i will return it.
me; damn right you will or that would be stealing. but i repeat, it is safer right were it is. i would rather you not touch it.
LEO: ok just keep your hands where i can see them
me; way ahead of you

i am sure he didn't know i would have done nothing to stop him. but i am sure he notice he could have been recorded. and i definitely raise a stink with my good friend the mayor and a couple of the board members i am friends with. i was friendly, fair but firm

I was stopped by a trooper last summer on 28 in Loudoun County for an equipment violation. I have NRA tags and a VA chp. Took the DL and registration back to the car and brought me back a scheduled date with the judge. He never mentioned a firearm and neither did I. I am not sure how I would have responded if he did but I am not one to answer someone's question just because they ask it. I don't think I said more than 3 words to him during the stop, plus one head nod and a shoulder shrug. He just couldn't stop grinning knowing that he reeled one in. Seemed like a nice guy though.

EDIT: I was open carrying but he didn't see.

I removed my front center seat with flip down back/armrest/storage console from the floor mounting studs. I got a new mount for a standard center seat, had nuts welded to it and bolted a lock box to it and mounted it back to the floor studs. I leave it unlocked with the key sticking in it while driving. I use an IWB holster with a metal spring belt clip. If I decide to remove the holster before or while driving I can remove the holster with firearm and place it inside the lock box through a webstrap secured inside the box. Once in the lock box if an emergency arises I can open the box and draw as fast as if from the hip while sitting in the seat. A gunsmith friend who is a competitive shooter really liked the setup when I showed it to him.

If stopped by the cops I usually have enough time to buckle up my seat belt, pull the IWB with pistol if in my belt, stow it and lock the box and pull the key before I find a place to stop. If I get stopped, once in the box and locked it ain't coming out. "I'm sorry officer, but the more you handle a loaded weapon the higher the risk of an accident. As long as it is locked up we're both safe."

mobeewan said:

I removed my front center seat with flip down back/armrest/storage console from the floor mounting studs. I got a new mount for a standard center seat, had nuts welded to it and bolted a lock box to it and mounted it back to the floor studs. I leave it unlocked with the key sticking in it while driving. I use an IWB holster with a metal spring belt clip. If I decide to remove the holster before or while driving I can remove the holster with firearm and place it inside the lock box through a webstrap secured inside the box. Once in the lock box if an emergency arises I can open the box and draw as fast as if from the hip while sitting in the seat. A gunsmith friend who is a competitive shooter really liked the setup when I showed it to him.

If stopped by the cops I usually have enough time to buckle up my seat belt, pull the IWB with pistol if in my belt, stow it and lock the box and pull the key before I find a place to stop. If I get stopped, once in the box and locked it ain't coming out. "I'm sorry officer, but the more you handle a loaded weapon the higher the risk of an accident. As long as it is locked up we're both safe."

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AWWWWWWWWWW You mean you don't wear your seat belt? I'm gonna tell Ed!:banana:

papa bear said:

i got pulled over last year, by a city kitty. i accidentally handed him my CHP (was with my licenses) though my gun was laying on the console of my truck. he hadn't even noticed it

LEO; where if you firearm (kudos for him not calling it a weapon)
me; right here on the console
LEO;i am going to come around and get it
me; no thank you. it is safer right where it is at. BTW i locked the door and would have refused to unlock it
LEO; a little shocked. but i will return it.
me; damn right you will or that would be stealing. but i repeat, it is safer right were it is. i would rather you not touch it.
LEO: ok just keep your hands where i can see them
me; way ahead of you

i am sure he didn't know i would have done nothing to stop him. but i am sure he notice he could have been recorded. and i definitely raise a stink with my good friend the mayor and a couple of the board members i am friends with. i was friendly, fair but firm

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It's clear this Sherlock will never make detective. If you had intended to harm him, why would you have alerted him to your CHP/possible firearm in the car?

TFred

TFred said:

It's clear this Sherlock will never make detective. If you had intended to harm him, why would you have alerted him to your CHP/possible firearm in the car?

TFred

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So, would the default be those that don't choose inform intend to harm???:banghead:

Volunteering info that isn't germane to the alleged ticketing offense is well stupid, imho.

Marco said:

So, would the default be those that don't choose inform intend to harm???:banghead:

Volunteering info that isn't germane to the alleged ticketing offense is well stupid, imho.

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This is one of those idiot Catch-22's created by police: the good guy isn't going to shoot the cop whether he waives his rights by informing or not; the bad guy isn't going to inform the cop of the weapon. Cops create their own situations by their mindset before they even frame the question. I am convinced police are so familiar with sheep just rolling over and answering questions cooperatively that they've all but forgotten about the people who exercise rights as a default setting. Thus, cops seem to equate "non-cooperation" with villainy.

the handing him the CHP was purely accidental. he noticed that and asked if i had a firearm in which case i answered affirmative, since it was in plain view and in the open.

you may not know that NC is an "to inform" state, if you have a concealed firearm. which i didn't. i noticed he didn't make an issue out of it either

Marco said:

So, would the default be those that don't choose inform intend to harm???:banghead:

Volunteering info that isn't germane to the alleged ticketing offense is well stupid, imho.

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No, not at all. Borrowing from my rusty memories of Logic 101:

"A implies B. Not A. Therefore not B." is NOT a valid logical argument.

In this context:

[Choose to inform] implies [no intent to harm]. [Did not choose to inform.] Does not imply [DOES intend to harm.]

The correct logical analogy for this example is:

A implies B. Not B implies Not A.

This carries over in our example as: If there was intent to harm [Not B], then they would NOT inform [Not A].

Whew, long time ago!

TFred