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    Angry police officers denied service at BWW

    http://manassas.patch.com/articles/p...ecause-of-guns

    I can't believe this story. Talk about zero tolerance for firearms. They wouldn't serve the police cause they were armed.

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    Good, police are not above (or at least shouldn't be) the law the rest of us are under. Excluding them from a company policy that is enforced on the rest of the "common citizens" is crap.

    I'd care a lot more about the situation if those cops had walked in, told the GM they weren't eating there because normal citizens are not allowed to be armed, and left.

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    Everyone should complain about police with guns in establishments that don't allow citizens to have guns ....

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    BWW says they have an anti-gun law. They need majorly boycotted. The cops were no trouble, had badges and offer protection. BWW mgmt. is twice stupid, I say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numenor View Post
    Good, police are not above (or at least shouldn't be) the law the rest of us are under. Excluding them from a company policy that is enforced on the rest of the "common citizens" is crap.

    I'd care a lot more about the situation if those cops had walked in, told the GM they weren't eating there because normal citizens are not allowed to be armed, and left.
    You know, it's interesting, all the comments at the bottom pretty much say the same thing. This did happen in Virginia, a state where those "no gun" signs don't hold up in courts. Now, I agree, they could be denied service but this doesn't mean they are above the law, it's just the restaurant choosing to serve one and not the other, it's still their right as a private company.

    That being said, I ate at BWW two weeks ago, open carried without any incident. Not sure if they noticed I was carrying or not as it was dark but nobody said anything to me.

    We should still Boycott BWW though, if they are going to be anti-freedom and anti-safety. It seems that the GM seems to only want competent people carrying guns in his store, which is a fairly big insult to the general population of 2nd Amendment exercisers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantfrom1968 View Post
    and offer protection. .
    That's nice, cops can protect themselves ... but not us.


    Kick their butts out to the curb like they do others

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    Awsome. No Police Loophole. If we can't carry our guns in there then neither should the police.
    Let's just change it from the No Guns policy for the resturant to something like the No Shoes, No Shirt No Service policy. Now say annother couple of city our county employees, this time beach lifeguards instead of police, show up to eat. The lifeguards are in their swimming trunks but no shirts ( I don't know... cause they don't wear their shirts on the beach, just go with it). The resturant has the same right to refuse them service as anyone else until they go out and put on shirts.
    Frankly I'm tired of the Police Loophole and am glad to see the antigun polices of businesses being equally enforced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantfrom1968 View Post
    .... The cops were no trouble, had badges and offer protection. BWW mgmt. is twice stupid, I say.
    There is a really good chance that there is something I do not know, or am not aware of, that makes LEO more able to offer protection than lawfully armed law-abiding citizens. Is it magic unicorn dust? Is it that in places where citizens are lawfully allowed to carry (OC or CC) there is on average one (1) LEO for every 20,000 persons? Is it that (not counting places like NYC, LA, and Maryland) there are approximately three times as many gun owners as there are LEO?

    But I do agree with you, BWW management is twice stupid for their "NO GUNZ" policy.

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    Never been there

    Never will as long as they are anti-gun.

    Never been a fan of wings as a meal. Yard bird is an appetizer, and not a good one.

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    Re: police officers denied service at BWW

    Quote Originally Posted by love4guns View Post
    http://manassas.patch.com/articles/p...ecause-of-guns

    I can't believe this story. Talk about zero tolerance for firearms. They wouldn't serve the police cause they were armed.
    Well good for them...sort of... if you are going to apply dumb@ss rules to the public, then the police should be included too, as they are simply citizens too. Not some special group worthy of treatment above what the general public at large can expect. Police have a tough job, no doubt abouf that, but so do many other citizens.
    My point - why should this even be a "news"story? The police were simply treated the way many law-abiding citizens are on a daily basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Well good for them...sort of... if you are going to apply dumb@ss rules to the public, then the police should be included too, as they are simply citizens too. Not some special group worthy of treatment above what the general public at large can expect. Police have a tough job, no doubt abouf that, but so do many other citizens.
    My point - why should this even be a "news"story? The police were simply treated the way many law-abiding citizens are on a daily basis.
    You can use your own commonsense as to why this story is newsworthy. Can you post another incident such as this one in virginia? I do agree with the notion that the police shouldn't be viewed as super hero's because they have a badge. BWW will regret their anti gun stance one day. I just hope no one gets hurt that day

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    Quote Originally Posted by love4guns View Post
    http://manassas.patch.com/articles/p...ecause-of-guns

    I can't believe this story. Talk about zero tolerance for firearms. They wouldn't serve the police cause they were armed.
    Absolutely, shoving food in a pie hole is not official duties, police are part, or supposed to be, of the civilian population. They are not, or should not be SS. Every time I want a reality check, on what police should not be I read about Nazi Germany. While we are not yet to that point, we are becoming more a fascist nation each day, and police with their special privileges are being duped into fascism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    Never will as long as they are anti-gun.

    Never been a fan of wings as a meal. Yard bird is an appetizer, and not a good one.
    personally my disgust of places like BWW goes deeper than their firearm policy. They don't even know what a wing consists of. Somehow they can magically get 4 wings from one bird. Sorry but that is BS, a wing consists of everything from the shoulder to the tip, it doesn't end at the elbow and then start again as a new wing. If I order 6 wings I expect 3 chickens to have died for my eating pleasure. I do not expect to be given 6 halves of wings.

    So I say screw BWW and their magic chickens
    Last edited by scouser; 03-27-2013 at 08:21 AM. Reason: sorry .. but I'm in a fowl (sic) mood over this

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    personally my disgust of places like BWW goes deeper than their firearm policy. They don't even know what a wing consists of. Somehow they can magically get 4 wings from one bird. Sorry but that is BS, a wing consists of everything from the shoulder to the tip, it doesn't end at the elbow and then start again as a new wing. If I order 6 wings I expect 3 chickens to have died for my eating pleasure. I do not expect to be given 6 halves of wings.

    So I say screw BWW and their magic chickens
    I am so old I remember when wings were just wings not buffalo wings, and the cheapest part of the chicken. If somebody had told me they would become a main course, or the featured course in a restaurant I would have laughed at them.
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    I don't like their "No Guns (that we know about)" policy, but at least it's evenly enforced. Very similar to AMF Lanes (bowling) that confirmed to me in 2010 that they want nobody armed in their bowling centers, even if they are police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Well good for them...sort of... if you are going to apply dumb@ss rules to the public, then the police should be included too, as they are simply citizens too. Not some special group worthy of treatment above what the general public at large can expect. Police have a tough job, no doubt abouf that, but so do many other citizens.
    My point - why should this even be a "news"story? The police were simply treated the way many law-abiding citizens are on a daily basis.
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    The liberal media only reported as BWW snubbed the "elite" citizen class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I am so old I remember when wings were just wings not buffalo wings, and the cheapest part of the chicken. If somebody had told me they would become a main course, or the featured course in a restaurant I would have laughed at them.


    My father-in-law (RIP) used to say that about ribs.

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    police officers denied service at BWW

    Interesting situation if BWW calls 911 for police response. They've been given notice of their trespassing with firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palerider116 View Post
    Interesting situation if BWW calls 911 for police response. They've been given notice of their trespassing with firearms.
    It is not like they would get there during the crime They can always do like LA and give a report over the phone.
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    police officers denied service at BWW

    And order some wings to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by palerider116 View Post
    Interesting situation if BWW calls 911 for police response. They've been given notice of their trespassing with firearms.
    You know better than that PR!

    § 18.2-119. Trespass after having been forbidden to do so; penalties.
    If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing,
    Once that 911 call has been made and the Officer dispatched, he has the authority of law.

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    Peter,

    I see your point on that...But...

    It depends on who made the decision to ask the police officers to leave and who is making the call to summon them. If the general manager made the decision to ask them to leave, can a subordinate summon the police without the officers violating the superior's order?

    There is legitimate doubt on the legality of the police responding and who can make the decision to invite them on premises.

    Not disputing BWW's right to not serve them or have them on the premises. But how does one be sure he can execute his duties when summoned without running afoul of some other (if not higher) manager's decision.

    If a patron calls for police, how would that work? BWW's right trumps a patron's right when the patron is using BWW premises.

    I've got my concerns on this and how it would work out in official ways and not for matters of grazing.

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    police officers denied service at BWW

    Either way, if they don't want gun owners or police on their premises, it is their loss.

    I'll spend my money elsewhere and there is better food to be had. And it's too noisy anyway.

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    Never been a big fan

    Of Yard Bird or BWW.

    Don't go to places that discriminate like this. Cops are no better than anyone else and don’t deserve special treatment.

    They don't need my money!

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