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    the Philosophy of Liberty

    thought this was a good video. hope you enjoy it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    It's an appealing philosophy, I suppose, that is, if you accept the Principle: Self-ownership. I understand why individuals cling to it: Control.--individuals want to believe, and feel as though they have as much control as possible.

    For good or ill, humans are social creatures, and by that, do not have absolute Liberty, basically, none of us have sole ownership over our selves.

    Man is not even born with Liberty, Man is born as the social creature that he is; absent Liberty...at best, having a degree of Liberty. Liberty is not Absolute.

    Peace out.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    I enjoy a lot of things that I hope you would enjoy. I know you won't enjoy them all, so I would always provide an indication of what the thing was in order that you would better be able to judge if you'd like to try it.

    Can you provide a summary? I'd hate to click the link to find that someone is demonstrating their philosophy of Liberty by graphically demonstrating their right to pierce parts of their body that I don't even want to see when they aren't pierced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    It's an appealing philosophy, I suppose, that is, if you accept the Principle: Self-ownership. I understand why individuals cling to it: Control.--individuals want to believe, and feel as though they have as much control as possible.

    For good or ill, humans are social creatures, and by that, do not have absolute Liberty, basically, none of us have sole ownership over our selves.

    Man is not even born with Liberty, Man is born as the social creature that he is; absent Liberty...at best, having a degree of Liberty. Liberty is not Absolute.

    Peace out.
    Liberal claptrap. Even Thomas Jefferson did not advocate for absolute liberty.

    But he did advocate for as much liberty as any citizen desired to exercise free of government interference. You, on the other hand, seek to encumber the citizenry with government and then have the citizenry petition the government to issue some number of liberties for the exercising.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    It's an appealing philosophy, I suppose, that is, if you accept the Principle: Self-ownership. I understand why individuals cling to it: Control.--individuals want to believe, and feel as though they have as much control as possible.

    For good or ill, humans are social creatures, and by that, do not have absolute Liberty, basically, none of us have sole ownership over our selves.

    Man is not even born with Liberty, Man is born as the social creature that he is; absent Liberty...at best, having a degree of Liberty. Liberty is not Absolute.

    Peace out.
    i call BS. you are born alone and you die alone. nothing is writing in stone. watch the video. it is what we have and how much we are willing to give to others, with or without force

    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I enjoy a lot of things that I hope you would enjoy. I know you won't enjoy them all, so I would always provide an indication of what the thing was in order that you would better be able to judge if you'd like to try it.

    Can you provide a summary? I'd hate to click the link to find that someone is demonstrating their philosophy of Liberty by graphically demonstrating their right to pierce parts of their body that I don't even want to see when they aren't pierced.
    EYE just watch the video. then you can except or reject it
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    "guns are like a Parachute, if you don't have one when you need it, you will not need one again"
    - unknown

    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    ...EYE just watch the video. then you can except [sic] or reject it
    No. I will not click blind links.

    Moving on. I am totally disinterested in what don't have the courtesy to summarize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    i call BS. you are born alone and you die alone. nothing is writing in stone. watch the video. it is what we have and how much we are willing to give to others, with or without force



    EYE just watch the video. then you can except or reject it
    Nope, not born alone, you are birthed from a female...aren't we all? So, no, we aren't alone. Not all of us die alone; my grandmother had many family members beside her when she passed.

    Correct, nothing is written in stone.

    Eye is afraid of mysterious links, a close second to Government.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Liberal claptrap. Even Thomas Jefferson did not advocate for absolute liberty.

    But he did advocate for as much liberty as any citizen desired to exercise free of government interference. You, on the other hand, seek to encumber the citizenry with government and then have the citizenry petition the government to issue some number of liberties for the exercising.
    Then I agree...Liberty is not Absolute...it is a matter of degrees. I'm glad we could come to this agreement...you, me, and Jefferson.

    So, Liberty is acquired by desire, I suppose by action? One must, if they want more Liberty, take action to gain it? I agree. But I digress, man is a social creature, and his Liberty is intertwined with all of individuals in his society. A man's Liberty is dependent on the Liberty of all men.

    I'm really digging this philosophy thing.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Then I agree...Liberty is not Absolute...it is a matter of degrees. I'm glad we could come to this agreement...you, me, and Jefferson.

    So, Liberty is acquired by desire, I suppose by action? One must, if they want more Liberty, take action to gain it? I agree. But I digress, man is a social creature, and his Liberty is intertwined with all of individuals in his society. A man's Liberty is dependent on the Liberty of all men.

    I'm really digging this philosophy thing.
    Of course man/woman is a "social creature" that's the nature of being human. And why even in horrible prisons solitary confinement is a punishment that works. This does not mean we are born owing society anything or we have a "social contract", because all contracts must be entered into voluntarily or they are null and void. Society simple means the people it isn't a magical union but people interacting with people and only in a free and liberal society will we develop what works best in our associations with others.
    Last edited by sudden valley gunner; 03-30-2013 at 09:58 AM.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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