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    Angry NH House votes to repeal stand your ground law

    The bill passed the house by a close vote of 189-184. Hopefully the right leaning senate will strike it down.

    "This is about us employing reason rather than passion," said state Rep. Steve Vaillancourt, R-Manchester. "Are we a safer society in which every man and woman can shoot first in a crowded street?"

    The stupid, it burns!

    http://www.wmur.com/news/politics/Ho...f/-/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrd929 View Post
    The bill passed the house by a close vote of 189-184. I think it'll be smooth sailing through the senate and governor's desk. I believe the senate is left leaning more so than the NH house.

    "This is about us employing reason rather than passion," said state Rep. Steve Vaillancourt, R-Manchester. "Are we a safer society in which every man and woman can shoot first in a crowded street?"

    The stupid, it burns!

    http://www.wmur.com/news/politics/Ho...f/-/index.html
    The Senate is NOT as left-leaning as the house. It's 11 dems and 13 repubs. The house stands right now at 221 dems and 179 repubs. The chatter coming out of Concord is suggesting this bill is DOA in the Senate by a party line vote.

    All that happened is some filth in the House has identified itself for voters to see. They will lose their seats in the next election.

    This same House also voted today to kill constitutional carry (HB 451) by a 226-144 vote, so it looks like some repubs also need to lose their seats. Disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactical9mm View Post
    The Senate is NOT as left-leaning as the house. It's 11 dems and 13 repubs. The house stands right now at 221 dems and 179 repubs. The chatter coming out of Concord is suggesting this bill is DOA in the Senate by a party line vote.

    All that happened is some filth in the House has identified itself for voters to see. They will lose their seats in the next election.

    This same House also voted today to kill constitutional carry (HB 451) by a 226-144 vote, so it looks like some repubs also need to lose their seats. Disgusting.
    Okay, I stand corrected then.

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    So now ya get to chase them? awwwww ...

    What the heck's going on der NH? Next, you'll have to have drivers licenses ...

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    Here is the HB 135, innocent or guilty voting list, quoted from http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS06/130329205

    The three Republicans who voted in favor of repeal were Vaillancourt, Dennis Fields of Sanborton and David Kidder of New London.

    The 17 Democrats who opposed repeal were Ruth Gulick of New Hampton, Thomas Buco of Conway, Rebecca Brown of Sugar Hill, Kenneth Gidge of Nashua, Ronald Boisvert of Manchester, Jeffrey Goley of Manchester, Michael Garcia of Nashua, Barbara Shaw of Manchester, Timothy Soucy of Nashua, Joel Winters of Nashua, Martin Jack of Nashua, Tim O'Flaherty of Manchester, Scott Burns of Franklin, Mary Frambach of Epsom, Lorrie Carey of Boscawen, Dick Patten of Concord and Linda Tanner of Georges Mills.
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    Wow. NH must have gone downhill since the last election. I remember when they were going to pass constitutional carry a few years ago until the NRA killed it.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactical9mm View Post
    The Senate is NOT as left-leaning as the house. It's 11 dems and 13 repubs. The house stands right now at 221 dems and 179 repubs. The chatter coming out of Concord is suggesting this bill is DOA in the Senate by a party line vote.

    All that happened is some filth in the House has identified itself for voters to see. They will lose their seats in the next election.

    This same House also voted today to kill constitutional carry (HB 451) by a 226-144 vote, so it looks like some repubs also need to lose their seats. Disgusting.
    David Boutin may not vote party lines. He helped kill const. carry last term....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Wow. NH must have gone downhill since the last election. I remember when they were going to pass constitutional carry a few years ago until the NRA killed it.
    How? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobie View Post
    David Boutin may not vote party lines. He helped kill const. carry last term....
    But he voted yea to override Lynch's veto on SB-88, which is the basis for the whole SYG framework. The civil immunity, the redefinition of deadly force (display is not deadly force), and the elimination of the duty to retreat.

    Source: https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-...1#.UVt0WpMvmTU

    There is now chit-chat about at least one dem in the Senate not voting yes, so it is looking much better for us. It is always much harder to take something away once it has been given, and this is one of those situations.

    We have to keep the pressure up, and make sure our Senators know where we stand on this. Call them, email them. It's not over until this bill is killed, and then we have to wait for the pendulum swing to go back to the right again (after the house-cleaning next election (pun intended)).
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    Hmmm....

    "Are we a safer society in which every man and woman can shoot first in a crowded street?"

    Because it's so much better to shoot second.... and third, fourth, fifth, etc. Ask him how he feels about that...

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    Maybe I'm missing something or maybe "constitutional carry" is being used incorrectly, but if NH has constitutional carry as in your State Constitution then how can any bill change that? The Constitution would have to be amended to be legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    How? Why?
    Concealed carry permits permission slips are big money, and the NRA is the lobbyist for the concealed carry permitting industry.

    Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Concealed carry permits permission slips are big money, and the NRA is the lobbyist for the concealed carry permitting industry.

    Duh.
    Not to mention lawyers like laws so they can have work....get rid of most of the laws and they'd be out of work..... why else do you expect it's almost always lawyers getting into political positions?

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    Why don't they just make everywhere a Gun Free Zone. Those work out so well!

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    I hope this bill dies... There should be a federal stand your ground law!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tazxrulz View Post
    I hope this bill dies... There should be a federal stand your ground law!
    The bill appears headed for either a shelf-job in the Senate, if not an up front defeat. We just had a court case that resulted in an acquittal that could have been a conviction under the law previous to the passage of the SYG infrastructure.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS07/130429295

    If SYG was not law in NH it would have fallen under the previous definition of display constituting deadly force, and could have made the individual in question a felon. With SYG the individual was not convicted, and nobody was shot. Win-Win.
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    Update on progress of this "bill" in the New Hampshire Senate

    As of May 10, the bill was destroyed in Senate committee by a 4-1 vote, and is now listed as "inexpedient to legislate" on http://legiscan.com/NH/bill/HB135

    Votes to kill this bill were from:

    Bette Lasky (Democrat), Sharon Carson (Republican), David Boutin (Republican), Sam Cataldo (Republican)

    Votes to pass the bill were from:

    Donna Soucy (Democrat)

    If a full floor vote is called, I will post the results here.

    So, we now have a nice list compiled in this thread of slime that needs to be unseated in the next election. Let's make sure we all do our part to make that happen.
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    The "final" disposition of this bill in the New Hampshire Senate

    On 5/23 it was "tabled" by a 19-5 vote. This effectively should kill the bill for this session.

    The voting roll call data is here:

    http://legiscan.com/NH/rollcall/HB135/id/283440

    This thread now gives us all a detailed list of the people (both in the House and Senate) that need to be unseated in the next election. 189 in the House, and 5 in the Senate.

    The full voting list for both houses on this bill can be obtained here:

    http://legiscan.com/NH/votes/HB135
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