What do the "liberals" really want?

minarchist said:

There is a cafe here in Fredericksburg, VA, owned by a conservative Christian family. Said cafe serves chai latte.

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Maybe as long as they don't sell crunchy granola, too, they can escape OC for ME's wrath? :lol:

Beretta92FSLady said:

Come on now, let's calm down--I know, coming from me, right


You are correct, 'they' couldn't do that without the force of the Government. Who would kill?---let's not go off the deep end here.

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I am perfectly calm. I am stating the concluded outcome of not complying, death. It is not the deep end. Try it if you don't believe me, defy the ridiculous positive laws of the nanny state.

You can only grow food if you have the space to grow the food...most poor people live in the city, in apartment buildings.

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Why are they there? But this is a misdirection and a redherring not addressing my original point. But brings up a buttload of other moral hazards created by government......

Agreed, subsidies ought not exists. I'm not ever getting at anything...don't ever be looking for that in any of my posts.

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But "taxing the piss out of the rich " is to subsidize something. If you are not getting at anything than why bring the example up?

marshaul said:

Maybe as long as they don't sell crunchy granola, too, they can escape OC for ME's wrath? :lol:

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That did not cross my mind. I don't eat granola of any variation, just as I don't wear Birkenstocks.

OC for ME said:

That did not cross my mind. I don't eat granola of any variation, just as I don't wear Birkenstocks.

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What is Birkenstocks? Sorry must be my old age or living in the sticks that some words escape me.

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That did not cross my mind. I don't eat granola of any variation, just as I don't wear Birkenstocks.

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Now I really want to see your reaction, walking into a coffee shop filled with chai-latte sipping, Birkenstocks-wearing, granola-heating hippysters. :lol:

Total absolute dictatorial control is their endgame aim.

marshaul said:

Now I really want to see your reaction, walking into a coffee shop filled with chai-latte sipping, Birkenstocks-wearing, granola-heating hippysters. :lol:

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It would be interesting to see their reaction if one was OCing and the cafe were a OC-friendly business, such as Starbucks.

You don't have to wonder what the reaction to OCing in a Starbucks would be like. Just read Doonesbury. The author seems to notice things happening there that none of the rest of us do. Nothing happens when I OC there.

BTW, who is heating granola?


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minarchist said:

chai latte.

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What do liberals want?
The same thing everyone wants: to maximize the things they like.

The difference is what they like and what they will trade to get them.
Liberals like social freedom and are willing to give up money and other freedom to get it.
Progressives like people being governed and are willing to have the government take what it needs to promote order and maintain control.
Conservatives like freedom and don't want to be told what to do, are less willing to give things up, and historically think that government is NOT the answer to any problem.
NeoCons want to tell people what to think and will say whatever is required to get what they want. They want to take things from others to have more for themselves.

This is economics. You maximize your own stuff. The flaw is that to an economist, it is better to have more AND make sure others have less, in order to maximize your own position. Win-win is actually not good to an economist, since it means you yourself could have more.

Since we are on the subject (sort of) what about GW Bush and the Patriot Act makes anyone think that the GOP hasn't lost its way? The auto bailout was passed under and signed by Bush, obligating the next administration. A truly conservative administration would not have done these things. And fielding Romney as a serious GOP candidate... He is a Massachusetts liberal (to be fair, he might be a conservative by Massachusetts standards, but not by those of us in the middle of the country.) Does anyone think he wouldn't be leading a charge for gun control if he had won the last election?

I've been a Liberal for as long as I can remember, and to be honest with you, I don't know what I want...that, coupled with being female, well, you can tell the dire straights I find myself to be in.

nonameisgood said:

Does anyone think he wouldn't be leading a charge for gun control if he had won the last election?

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eye95 doesn't.

marshaul said:

eye95 doesn't.

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I think he'd have a better chance of passing something because the repubs wouldn't be as united against it.

That's probably just me though, surely they wouldn't support bad ideas just because the president is republican would they?

COUGH COUGH//NCLB, AUTO BAILOUTS, TARP //COUGH COUGH

Had the Republicans won the election, there would have been lip service given to gun-control, but no serious consideration would have been given to any of it.

If one chooses to deny this obvious reality (because it runs counter to their beliefs that there is no difference between the two parties), ain't no one gonna be able to change their minds.

I only post this because most people, who have not already made up their minds on this, will read this and say, "Yeah there is a difference between the parties, and this is one area where that difference will manifest itself obviously."

Moving on.

eye95 said:

Had the Republicans won the election, there would have been lip service given to gun-control, but no serious consideration would have been given to any of it.

If one chooses to deny this obvious reality (because it runs counter to their beliefs that there is no difference between the two parties), ain't no one gonna be able to change their minds.

I only post this because most people, who have not already made up their minds on this, will read this and say, "Yeah there is a difference between the parties, and this is one area where that difference will manifest itself obviously."

Moving on.

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If they were truly for liberty, then there wouldn't even be lip service given to such a flawed premise.

You have more faith in them then I do, I don't think they are the same, but they have way too much in common for me to support them as a party.

When was the last time the republicans really tried to shrink the govt?

The best they can do is budgets that shrink the rate of growth, while growth continues.

There are a few who try(Paul. Cruz, Lee and some others) but they are still outnumbered.

ron73440 said:

If they were truly for liberty, then there wouldn't even be lip service given to such a flawed premise.

You have more faith in them then I do, I don't think they are the same, but they have way too much in common for me to support them as a party.

When was the last time the republicans really tried to shrink the govt?

The best they can do is budgets that shrink the rate of growth, while growth continues.

There are a few who try(Paul. Cruz, Lee and some others) but they are still outnumbered.

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He forgot about the "Patriot Act," I am sure of it.

I was merely responding to someone trying to present my idea. Folks do that a LOT around here, rather that letting people speak for themselves.


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eye95 said:

I was merely responding to someone trying to present my idea. Folks do that a LOT around here, rather that letting people speak for themselves.


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You said you were moving on a couple of posts ago.

eye95 said:

I was merely responding to someone trying to present my idea. Folks do that a LOT around here, rather that letting people speak for themselves.


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I think sometimes its simply that our ideas, mean something totally different to the reader. What they are presenting is what your idea means to them.

You don't like our Constitution, and the Republican form of government therein established ?..............

Pack them bags, flash that passport, take a flight to to almost any bankrupt European socialist quagmire and presto- they can have what they want instantly.