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    Ill shoot you in the head [video]

    Open carry by police mentioned at 5:51ish
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q1yU...PtT5KQ&index=2

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    How do you "close" a public road??? Their vehicle liscense fees paid for that road, they're partial owners of it! How can you be charged with trespass on property YOU own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark-in-texas View Post
    How do you "close" a public road??? Their vehicle liscense fees paid for that road, they're partial owners of it! How can you be charged with trespass on property YOU own?
    Were you not listening? The road is under construction, and not open to the public yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark-in-texas View Post
    How do you "close" a public road??? Their vehicle liscense fees paid for that road, they're partial owners of it! How can you be charged with trespass on property YOU own?
    Generally, we put up signs here in Georgia. I imagine most states do it similarly.



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    Anyone notice the linked video? I got a chuckle out of it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=&v=xKjvJHMlVvU
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    Anyone notice the linked video? I got a chuckle out of it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=&v=xKjvJHMlVvU
    Wow, that was the biggest display of moronic ineptitude I've seen since the last police dash cam video I watched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Generally, we put up signs here in Georgia. I imagine most states do it similarly.


    Missed the 'under construction' part. Unless there was actual work being done in the middle of the night, I don't see the issue. Pics of road under water don't seem to apply to the video.
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    How can one be trespassed from public property? Where were the victims? The only way he was getting his gun back was by having a CPL? What a jack ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    How can one be trespassed from public property? Where were the victims? The only way he was getting his gun back was by having a CPL? What a jack ass.
    The other video linked in youtube shows the secondary squad that shows up after the stop. To get to where the bikers were, you had to go through the "Road Closed" signs. Some portions of the road were torn up, only gravel. I think this is in an industrial area as well.

    RCW 47.48.040
    Penalty.

    Except as provided under RCW 47.48.060, when any state highway, county road, or city street or portion thereof shall have been closed, or when the maximum speed limit thereon shall have been reduced, for all vehicles or any class of vehicles, as by law provided, any person, firm, or corporation disregarding such closing or reduced speed limit shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and shall in addition to any penalty for violation of the provisions of this section, be liable in any civil action instituted in the name of the state of Washington or the county or city or town having jurisdiction for any damages occasioned to such state highway, county road, or city street, as the case may be, as the result of disregarding such closing or reduced speed limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    The other video linked in youtube shows the secondary squad that shows up after the stop. To get to where the bikers were, you had to go through the "Road Closed" signs. Some portions of the road were torn up, only gravel. I think this is in an industrial area as well.
    I understand the RCW but not the constitutionality behind it......(there is none)... public property is or isn't public property, If I live on other side and were walking shouldn't I have the ability to take the quickest shortest path to my house?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    What state did this take place?

    IMO I do not see how a trespassing charge would stick, but in some states it is against the law to disregard a traffic control device, such as driving through a parking lot to not stop at a red light. A charge similar to that would probably stick. I agree that you cannot be trespassing on public property whether it is a open road or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwboley View Post
    Tukwila wa
    This should be the appropriate charge:
    46.61.050
    Obedience to and required traffic control devices.

    (1) The driver of any vehicle, every bicyclist, and every pedestrian shall obey the instructions of any official traffic control device applicable thereto placed in accordance with the provisions of this chapter, unless otherwise directed by a traffic or police officer, subject to the exception granted the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle in this chapter.

    (2) No provision of this chapter for which official traffic control devices are required shall be enforced against an alleged violator if at the time and place of the alleged violation an official device is not in proper position and sufficiently legible or visible to be seen by an ordinarily observant person. Whenever a particular section does not state that official traffic control devices are required, such section shall be effective even though no devices are erected or in place.

    (3) Whenever official traffic control devices are placed in position approximately conforming to the requirements of this chapter, such devices shall be presumed to have been so placed by the official act or direction of lawful authority, unless the contrary shall be established by competent evidence.

    (4) Any official traffic control device placed pursuant to the provisions of this chapter and purporting to conform to the lawful requirements pertaining to such devices shall be presumed to comply with the requirements of this chapter, unless the contrary shall be established by competent evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I understand the RCW but not the constitutionality behind it......(there is none)... public property is or isn't public property, If I live on other side and were walking shouldn't I have the ability to take the quickest shortest path to my house?
    When the sidewalk is closed because they are building a new driveway on it, or widening it, do you think you have the right to continue on, disregarding the signage, because it's "public property"?

    The legislature has the right to create laws to preserve public peace, heath or safety.

    Article II, WA Constitution:
    (b) Referendum. The second power reserved by the people is the referendum, and it may be ordered on any act, bill, law, or any part thereof passed by the legislature, except such laws as may be necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health or safety, support of the state government and its existing public institutions, either by petition signed by the required percentage of the legal voters, or by the legislature as other bills are enacted: Provided, That the legislature may not order a referendum on any initiative measure enacted by the legislature under the foregoing subsection (a). The number of valid signatures of registered voters required on a petition for referendum of an act of the legislature or any part thereof, shall be equal to or exceeding four percent of the votes cast for the office of governor at the last gubernatorial election preceding the filing of the text of the referendum measure with the secretary of state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    When the sidewalk is closed because they are building a new driveway on it, or widening it, do you think you have the right to continue on, disregarding the signage, because it's "public property"?

    The legislature has the right to create laws to preserve public peace, heath or safety.

    Article II, WA Constitution:
    Not all signs are binding, many are warning/beware of hazard signs. I would imagine this is the case with signs for danger in most states. To carry force of law I would think road closed signs must articulate "road closed". Unless a sign designates "no trespassing" I see no way a trespass charge could stick, and even then on private property I doubt it would stick.

    The OP did not mention sidewalks, but could you post the charge they would incur for walking on a closed sidewalk?
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    here's some more legal info:

    US vs. Grace
    There is little doubt that, in some circumstances, the government may ban the entry on to public property that is not a "public forum" of all persons except those who have legitimate business on the premises. The government, "no less than a private owner of property, has the power to preserve the property under its control for the use to which it is lawfully dedicated." Adderley v. Florida, supra, at 385 U. S. 47. See Cox II, supra, at 379 U. S. 563-564.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    here's some more legal info:

    US vs. Grace
    They can certainly ban entrance to secure areas, but what charge would be used in the case of walking on a sidewalk under construction?

    I also suggest YOU read US vs Grace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    here's some more legal info:

    US vs. Grace
    I asked the constitutionality of it. The Courts don't often argue that point now do they?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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