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    The "Ban the Box" movement

    Seems there's a growing grassroots movement to "Ban the Box" -- it's unfair to discriminate against ex-felons.

    Well, Richmond City Council has responded:

    Richmond City Council unanimously passes ‘ban the box’ ordinance
    With the support of dozens of people who packed into Richmond’s City Council chambers Monday night, the council voted unanimously to eliminate requirements that applicants for many city jobs acknowledge prior felony convictions on initial applications.

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    “I have never had rights in my life,” said Kevin Hunter, 46, who said he was convicted of a felony when he was 18. “I have found myself resorting back to my old ways at times because I felt it was hopeless. … I’ve never gotten a gun job when I’ve checked the box.”
    Well, honestly, Kevin also could never get a gun, either. Legally. Is that fair?

    Say, why not "ban the box" on 4473s?
    And on CHP applications?
    And legal OC?
    And legal possession?

    After all, fair is fair.

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    Idiot King Jones of Richmond

    just wants more of his kind "working" for the city. (Criminals)

    Yet another reason I would NOT consider living in Richmond.

    South of the James by invitation only!

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    just wants more of his kind "working" for the city. (Criminals)

    Yet another reason I would NOT consider living in Richmond.

    South of the James by invitation only!
    Does that include Annexation?

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    Angry So We Prevent Former Felons From Finding Gainful Employment

    What, then, do we suppose is going to be their alternative?
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    Not true

    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    What, then, do we suppose is going to be their alternative?
    We do however prevent them from working in positions of trust. There are plenty of non-government, non-public safety jobs.

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    Oh no, not another...,

    "protected class". Say..., anyone seen the forest lately? These dang trees keep getting in the way! Riverrat..., where are you buddy? I know you've got something to say about this!

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    When guns become "illegal" will you become a felon??

    "Law" is not always moral and criminals are not always violent or immoral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    We do however prevent them from working in positions of trust. There are plenty of non-government, non-public safety jobs.
    There has to be exceptions ... I see all these thieves, liars, and commies in Washington DC

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    just wants more of his kind "working" for the city. (Criminals)
    Agreed.

    Besides, I think this business of prohibiting felons from possessing the means to effective self-defense is relatively recent. GCA1968, I think.

    If the guy served his time, let him be able to defend himself. Moreover, it just gives government another opportunity to reduce the number of gun owners by creating new felonies. Government doesn't deserve the power to say who can and can't effectively defend themselves. Government has repeatedly proven it cannot be trusted to protect rights. This history on this is long, bloody, and saturated with suffering hopelessness.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    I agree CITIZEN, for almost two hundred years in this country, once you have done your time you had your rights. most people that have a felony have not done anything violent

    read the book "three felonies a day; how the fed target the innocent"
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    We do however prevent them from working in positions of trust. There are plenty of non-government, non-public safety jobs.
    If only that were what the OP implied.

    But, no. It said the individual has NEVER gotten any kind of job (no mention of security or public trust) when he has checked the box.
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    Trust is earned

    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    If only that were what the OP implied.

    But, no. It said the individual has NEVER gotten any kind of job (no mention of security or public trust) when he has checked the box.
    Second chances are also earned. Kind of hard to trust somebody with a record until they prove themselves. That takes starting some place and successfully accomplishing what is expected. That leads to them recommending you for something better. It takes time. Where does it say that the government has to provide convicted felons that path?

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    Kind of hard to trust somebody with a record until they prove themselves.
    And just how does one go about "proving" themselves?
    Where does it say that the government has to provide convicted felons that path?
    Where does it say that government can prevent people from taking that path?
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    what ever happened to knowing not to do the wrong thing? Just how many of these poor felons knew that they were doing something that decent honest members of society know they shouldn't do?

    Sorry but I grew up with a sense of there being a difference between right and wrong and the fear that doing the wrong thing would have consequences.

    Exactly how many of these felons would be so remorseful if they'd never been caught?

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    Okay, one more time and I will type real slow this time.

    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    And just how does one go about "proving" themselves?Where does it say that government can prevent people from taking that path?
    Second chances are also earned. Kind of hard to trust somebody with a record until they prove themselves.

    That takes starting some place and successfully accomplishing what is expected. That leads to them recommending you for something better. It takes time.

    Where does it say that the government has to provide convicted felons that path?

    The government doesn't prevent anyone from starting over and "working their way up". That would be the result of the individual's actions.

    The government does have a responsibility to the citizens to provide honest government and that just doesn't happen if it is run with convicted felons.

    Psychologists say a child has developed enough by age 6 to know right from wrong. What excuse do criminals have ?

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    What does the inability to get a job because of a felony conviction have to do with OC?
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    What does the inability to get a job because of a felony conviction have to do with OC?

    Pick one and put in open carrier.
    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
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    I think I'll read "They Thought They Were Free" while open carrying and see if there are any parallels to present-day America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    The government doesn't prevent anyone from starting over and "working their way up".
    That is EXACTLY what a little check box does.
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    Or, just a thought, maybe put a time frame on the box. "Have you been convicted of a felony in the last 10 years?" How many people were stupid kids, and grew up, and changed their ways. A felony at 17 years old ruins your life forever....
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    I would like to get you people to relize something. if the gun grabbers bills go through. there are 100's of things in it that will make a felon of you. including if you leave your house you will be charged with a felony, because you didn't transfer your guns to someone. if you leave your guns with someone, be it wife, daugther, son, uncle, cousin. with out legal transfer through a FFLD, then you will be a felon

    think about it
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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    I would like to get you people to relize something. if the gun grabbers bills go through. there are 100's of things in it that will make a felon of you. including if you leave your house you will be charged with a felony, because you didn't transfer your guns to someone. if you leave your guns with someone, be it wife, daugther, son, uncle, cousin. with out legal transfer through a FFLD, then you will be a felon

    think about it
    Thank you for pointing out the upside to the whole situation. These new laws will force folks to become curmudgeonly hermits, living lives of blissful singleness. It will also eliminate child custody squabbles because children cannot be left in places where guns are. And there is already a solution in place to deal with that situation without creating an additional tax burden: http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Texts/modest.html .

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    ...I love little children - medium rare, with a baked potato and a fresh salad.

    stay safe.
    and you wondered why it worked so well when I said to Logan "sit still, don't move, behave OR I will make you sit next to skid" one time at breakfast ?
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    Untrue

    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    That is EXACTLY what a little check box does.
    Sorry, but their actions/crimes prevent them from holding certain jobs, not the government.

    Personal responsibility is something that victicrats never accept. It is always somebody elses fault.

    The little box simply shows they are a convicted felon and further investigation is required. In some cases, that box makes them ineligible to hold certain jobs, none of which I would want a felon holding.

    Nothing stops them from working in other areas of the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    Sorry, but their actions/crimes prevent them from holding certain jobs, not the government.

    Personal responsibility is something that victicrats never accept. It is always somebody elses fault.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    +1
    You're right in theory Scouser but we get hit with reality and the abuse of common sense laws again.

    It is very, very easy to become a felon these days.

    Just think of all the people you see in the summer walking around with dust masks on. Felony.
    Posting a picture of a police officer with the intent to humiliate or harass is a felony.
    Taking a picture of your infant in the tub...felony.

    The answer to crime prevention by many of our legislators is to make everything a felony. Criminals don't care but are good at not getting caught. Normal people don't know and do get caught.

    I've said this before. EVERYONE commits a felony at least once a week and there are a lot of convicted non violent felons around.
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