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The "Ban the Box" movement

Repeater

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Seems there's a growing grassroots movement to "Ban the Box" -- it's unfair to discriminate against ex-felons.

Well, Richmond City Council has responded:

Richmond City Council unanimously passes ‘ban the box’ ordinance
With the support of dozens of people who packed into Richmond’s City Council chambers Monday night, the council voted unanimously to eliminate requirements that applicants for many city jobs acknowledge prior felony convictions on initial applications.

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“I have never had rights in my life,” said Kevin Hunter, 46, who said he was convicted of a felony when he was 18. “I have found myself resorting back to my old ways at times because I felt it was hopeless. … I’ve never gotten a [strike]gun[/strike] job when I’ve checked the box.”

Well, honestly, Kevin also could never get a gun, either. Legally. Is that fair?

Say, why not "ban the box" on 4473s?
And on CHP applications?
And legal OC?
And legal possession?

After all, fair is fair.
 

va_tazdad

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Idiot King Jones of Richmond

just wants more of his kind "working" for the city. (Criminals)

Yet another reason I would NOT consider living in Richmond.

South of the James by invitation only!
 

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Oh no, not another...,

"protected class". Say..., anyone seen the forest lately? These dang trees keep getting in the way! Riverrat..., where are you buddy? I know you've got something to say about this!

sidestreet

Jeremiah 29 vs. 11-13

we are not equal, we will never be equal, but we must be relentless.
 

richarcm

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When guns become "illegal" will you become a felon??

"Law" is not always moral and criminals are not always violent or immoral.
 

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just wants more of his kind "working" for the city. (Criminals)

Agreed.

Besides, I think this business of prohibiting felons from possessing the means to effective self-defense is relatively recent. GCA1968, I think.

If the guy served his time, let him be able to defend himself. Moreover, it just gives government another opportunity to reduce the number of gun owners by creating new felonies. Government doesn't deserve the power to say who can and can't effectively defend themselves. Government has repeatedly proven it cannot be trusted to protect rights. This history on this is long, bloody, and saturated with suffering hopelessness.
 

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I agree CITIZEN, for almost two hundred years in this country, once you have done your time you had your rights. most people that have a felony have not done anything violent

read the book "three felonies a day; how the fed target the innocent"
 

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We do however prevent them from working in positions of trust. There are plenty of non-government, non-public safety jobs.
If only that were what the OP implied.

But, no. It said the individual has NEVER gotten any kind of job (no mention of security or public trust) when he has checked the box.
 

va_tazdad

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Trust is earned

If only that were what the OP implied.

But, no. It said the individual has NEVER gotten any kind of job (no mention of security or public trust) when he has checked the box.

Second chances are also earned. Kind of hard to trust somebody with a record until they prove themselves. That takes starting some place and successfully accomplishing what is expected. That leads to them recommending you for something better. It takes time. Where does it say that the government has to provide convicted felons that path?
 

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what ever happened to knowing not to do the wrong thing? Just how many of these poor felons knew that they were doing something that decent honest members of society know they shouldn't do?

Sorry but I grew up with a sense of there being a difference between right and wrong and the fear that doing the wrong thing would have consequences.

Exactly how many of these felons would be so remorseful if they'd never been caught?
 

va_tazdad

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Okay, one more time and I will type real slow this time.

And just how does one go about "proving" themselves?Where does it say that government can prevent people from taking that path?

Second chances are also earned. Kind of hard to trust somebody with a record until they prove themselves.

That takes starting some place and successfully accomplishing what is expected. That leads to them recommending you for something better. It takes time.

Where does it say that the government has to provide convicted felons that path?

The government doesn't prevent anyone from starting over and "working their way up". That would be the result of the individual's actions.

The government does have a responsibility to the citizens to provide honest government and that just doesn't happen if it is run with convicted felons.

Psychologists say a child has developed enough by age 6 to know right from wrong. What excuse do criminals have ?
 

sharkey

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What does the inability to get a job because of a felony conviction have to do with OC?


Pick one and put in open carrier. :)
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
I think I'll read "They Thought They Were Free" while open carrying and see if there are any parallels to present-day America.
 
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Red Dawg

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Or, just a thought, maybe put a time frame on the box. "Have you been convicted of a felony in the last 10 years?" How many people were stupid kids, and grew up, and changed their ways. A felony at 17 years old ruins your life forever....
 

papa bear

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I would like to get you people to relize something. if the gun grabbers bills go through. there are 100's of things in it that will make a felon of you. including if you leave your house you will be charged with a felony, because you didn't transfer your guns to someone. if you leave your guns with someone, be it wife, daugther, son, uncle, cousin. with out legal transfer through a FFLD, then you will be a felon

think about it
 
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