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    I need a crash course on main Michigan rules /laws

    I know I need to read the laws myself and I will and have started.
    I had to come up here because of a family medical emergency and
    Im unsure of how long my being here will be required.
    I have my Florida cpl. I'm not asking for all just the basics to possibly
    keep me out of jail. I understand all info is just your interpretation and
    understanding and that any and all
    Info is mine to confirm.
    Thank you in advance.
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    This covers a decent amount.

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...2_336854_7.pdf

    MCL 28.425o provides that a person with a valid CPL shall not carry a concealed pistol in a pistol- free zone. First offense is a state civil infraction. The following is a list of the premises (excluding parking lots) included in the statute:
     School or school property, except a parent or legal guardian who is dropping off or picking up a child and the pistol is kept in the vehicle
     Public or private day care center
     Sports arena or stadium
     A bar or tavern where sale and consumption of
    liquor by the glass is the primary source of income (does not apply to owner or employee of the business).
     Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless authorized by the presiding official
     An entertainment facility that has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more
     A hospital
     A dormitory or classroom of a community college,
    college, or university
     A casino (R 432.1212, MCL 432.202)
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

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    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    if you need quick and dirty for michigan, then the quickest and simplest thing to tell you is avoid bars, schools, hospitals, churches and anywhere posted "no guns." obviously there are exceptions and more details, but if you have any specific questions, just ask. someone will answer.

    eta: looks like xman and i posted at the same time
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    I need a crash course on main Michigan rules /laws

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    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Re: I need a crash course on main Michigan rules /laws

    If you Open Carry as a nonresident with a Florida CWP, the only places forbidden would be courtrooms/buildings where court business is conducted and those buildings prohibited by federal law. College/university property may be a problem also because they are not specifically preempted. Any exception to the "no concealed carry zones" and the areas that prohibit possession of a firearm mentioned in MSP Legal Update 86 for those with a Michigan CPL apply to you in the same manner.
    Last edited by DrTodd; 03-30-2013 at 05:23 PM.
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    What area of Michigan? Someone local may be available to walk you through some of the stickier points.
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    I'm very sorry I haven't replied.

    I've been very busy since my need for info. My brother-in-law past last night and my wife and I had to suspend life support on our son and are now waiting for his passing which is the reason for my need and inability to research the laws and rules I've done some research and have become confused. I'm in Pontiac the area and have open carrying since I got here and have had no problems but am unsure if I'm allowed to keep my firearm in my pickup at the hospital because there are signs stating no firearms allowed on property. But have been welcomed at some places of course they had a Michigan open carry sticker on entrance way " Blue Star Coney on Walton and Baldwin" love those Coney dogs. Would still love more info but only have time for phone calls. Thank you all for the info so far . PM me for my phone number if willing to chat live. Again thank you.
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    if there are signs on private property saying no firearms, that includes their parking lots.
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    I need a crash course on main Michigan rules /laws

    What exactly does the sign say and where is it?
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

    I am not a lawyer (merely an omnipotent member of a continuum). The contents of this post are not a substitute for sound legal advice from a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.

    Comments and views stated in my post are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of Michigan Open Carry, Inc. unless stated otherwise in the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    What exactly does the sign say and where is it?
    I haven't had the chance to check the perimeter of the property but this was/is at the entrances of the building. Click image for larger version. 

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    Car carry question

    I know you must have concealed weapons permit to carry
    in an automobile but I don't know if while carrying in auto
    must it be concealed or open or either way??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick H View Post
    I know you must have concealed weapons permit to carry
    in an automobile but I don't know if while carrying in auto
    must it be concealed or open or either way??????
    Sorry for your loses.

    If you have a CPL you can carry concealed or open in a vehicle.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Sorry for your loses.

    If you have a CPL you can carry concealed or open in a vehicle.
    Thank you
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    I am looking to visit MI UP this summer and have read the many MI rules. The one answer I cannot seem to solve is: what is a propery licences firearm? If I do not have a (MI CPL) or out of state resident equivilent, do I have to go to the DMV to license my firearm?

    I am a Virginia resident - no firearm registrations, licensing or other state control peperwork except when purchasing from a dealer. I am currently waiting for a CHP (concealed handgun permit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgrwo View Post
    I am looking to visit MI UP this summer and have read the many MI rules. The one answer I cannot seem to solve is: what is a propery licences firearm? If I do not have a (MI CPL) or out of state resident equivilent, do I have to go to the DMV to license my firearm?

    I am a Virginia resident - no firearm registrations, licensing or other state control peperwork except when purchasing from a dealer. I am currently waiting for a CHP (concealed handgun permit).
    You can't without your state's permit. When you get the CHP, you are exempt under MCL 28.422 Sec. 2

    (8) An individual who is not a resident of this state is not required to obtain a license under this section if
    all of the following conditions apply:
    (a) The individual is licensed in his or her state of residence to purchase, carry, or transport a pistol.
    (b) The individual is in possession of the license described in subdivision (a).
    (c) The individual is the owner of the pistol he or she possesses, carries, or transports.
    (d) The individual possesses the pistol for a lawful purpose as that term is defined in section 231a of the
    Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.231a.
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