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    The Foxhole (Lakewood) kicked out for open carry.....

    CAUTION: The Foxhole is NOT open carry friendly. Myself and a friend who is a Vietnam Vet were asked to leave today unless we were law enforcement. Are law enforcement officers privileged under the Bill of Rights and Citizens 2nd class citizens?


    BTW, we spent several hundred dollars at neighboring business including 92 Yankee and Historical Military Sales. Both were more than happy to take our money and be polite, courteous and kind.



    I will be following up with a letter to the owner if I can find the info....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Are law enforcement officers privileged under the Bill of Rights and Citizens 2nd class citizens?

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    You would have to ask LEOs that question if the feel that way but the correct answer is no.

    Good that you turned around and left. Obviously, they only want commies and fascists as customers.

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    Kind of old situation. This has been ongoing for a year or two. Plenty of places that will do business with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Kind of old situation. This has been ongoing for a year or two. Plenty of places that will do business with us.
    That is probably correct, however, I have been there a half a dozen times and never been asked to leave. This is only the 2nd business (post #489) that I have ever been asked to leave in the last 4 years. I will now correspond with the owner and see if I can sway their opinion.
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    Once is enough to add them to friendorfoe.

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    I fully support you making an issue of this with the store's management, however I would ask that you not use the Bill of Rights argument. It is erroneous. The Bill of Rights has no application on private property. To make such an argument undermines your credibility, and the credibility of our movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    ...we spent several hundred dollars at neighboring business...

    I will be following up with a letter to the owner if I can find the info....
    Enclose a copy of the receipt showing how much money they lost.
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    What if you said you are LEO? Are they going to demand I.D.?

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    I like GI surplus, that's the one with the big pile of stuff to dig through...

    Foxhole is strange, used to be one in bremerton and it closed down...

    In fact, Lakewood is the only one left I believe, and they are jerks who overcharge for their products anyway. 92 and GI are better choices
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeak View Post
    What if you said you are LEO? Are they going to demand I.D.?
    Bad idea. If they phone in to check your false claim, you'd wind up in jail for impersonating law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Myself and a friend who is a Vietnam Vet were asked to leave today unless we were law enforcement. Are law enforcement officers privileged under the Bill of Rights
    IDK, are Vietnam Vets?

    What does his service history have to do with this OC story?

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    What does his service history have to do with this OC story?


    Good question. It's like the guys who begin their letters with "being a lifetime NRA member . . ." What's that got to do with the price of tea in Red China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    IDK, are Vietnam Vets?

    What does his service history have to do with this OC story?
    I think that was included due to the irony of it. A veteran is asked to leave a surplus store, both were gov. property, it's like the two things should go together.

    It is akin to kicking drunks out of bars or banning screaming children from playgrounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    Bad idea. If they phone in to check your false claim, you'd wind up in jail for impersonating law enforcement.
    Simply verbally claiming to be someone isn't impersonation, there has to be an affirmative act or intent to defraud based on that claim.

    The stolen valor act was tossed on the grounds that claiming to recieve a military award that you didn't recieve was free speech..... I'll find the case.

    Not that I advocate doing this, btw, but I doubt the DA would have a prosecutable case against someone who did just say "I'm a cop"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    IDK, are Vietnam Vets?

    What does his service history have to do with this OC story?
    It was more the irony... The are a military surplus store, 2 blocks from the base. Obviously they cater to service members past and present. When your customer base is that specific, and it is that customer base that takes the oath to uphold those things that people hold dear, it is certainly overtly ironic that they ask a service member to leave, but would of allowed civilian law enforcement to stay...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    Bad idea. If they phone in to check your false claim, you'd wind up in jail for impersonating law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    It was more the irony... The are a military surplus store, 2 blocks from the base. Obviously they cater to service members past and present. When your customer base is that specific, and it is that customer base that takes the oath to uphold those things that people hold dear, it is certainly overtly ironic that they ask a service member to leave, but would of allowed civilian law enforcement to stay...
    You know, the average active military person isn't trusted enough to carry on base. Just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    "I swear; I thought they were asking me if they could call the police. So I said, 'Yes, of course!'"
    ...said to the judge at your trial for trespassing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    It was more the irony... The are a military surplus store, 2 blocks from the base. Obviously they cater to service members past and present. When your customer base is that specific, and it is that customer base that takes the oath to uphold those things that people hold dear, it is certainly overtly ironic that they ask a service member to leave, but would of allowed civilian law enforcement to stay...
    This makes me think of a recent story I saw in the joint base news publication that are out and about....but not certain.

    Basically, the story was a op-ed piece that was critical of Foxhole sales policy. They were not going to sell any AR15 style guns or large capacity clips to anyone but Gov't and LEO....

    I'm pretty sure it was them, I'll see if I can find it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    ...said to the judge at your trial for trespassing?
    To anyone who claimed I was impersonating a police officer.

    For example, in a defensive situation, while trying to stop a threat verbally before resorting to deadly force, one can first shout to get a police officer's attention to your predicament. Then, immediately thereafter, shout to the threat to stop his activity. It might sound something like this:

    "POLICE! FREEZE!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    This makes me think of a recent story I saw in the joint base news publication that are out and about....but not certain.

    Basically, the story was a op-ed piece that was critical of Foxhole sales policy. They were not going to sell any AR15 style guns or large capacity clips to anyone but Gov't and LEO....

    I'm pretty sure it was them, I'll see if I can find it...
    Foxhole sells guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Foxhole sells guns?
    No they don't.
    I believe the fact that gogo's friend is a Vietnam Vet is relevant to the topic as most of their business comes from JBLM.
    I have had issues with Foxhole in the past and so has Tacitus. In fact when he asked the owner the reason for the gun policy he was told, "We're not comfortable with loaded guns because of all the soldiers shooting people."
    That was about a year ago and I haven't spent a dime there since.
    This is a company that specifically caters to Soldiers. Soldiers that took an oath to defend The Constitution and the Foxhole refuses to recognize it.
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    Thumbs down

    Odd, been going there for over 10 years(well first thier much nicer tacoma location before they closed it down) and have both CC and OC's in there many times with no problems. was the employee who kicked you the short guy or one of the girls?
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    Foxhole has been good to me

    I have had good luck OC'ing at the Foxhole. I always unload per the sign on the door. One day i was asked to leave by the older short guy. I told him "I've never had issues here, i'm unloaded per your sign". then he asked one of the ladies and she said "if he is unloaded he is fine". I've unholstered trying shoulder holsters and what not. That was the only time i've had issues.

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    Regardless of all the hurt feelings there's one solid fact. It's their business and they can have any rules regarding firearms they want.

    If they remain in business then it's probably not all that big a deal with the rest of their customers.
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