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    HARTFORD -- Lawmakers and gun-control advocates anticipate the strongest laws in the nation to emerge Monday, when leaders of the General Assembly finally unveil their bipartisan response to the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshootin...#ixzz2P5ywlWRS


    "strongest laws in the nation" .. like the 2nd amendment does not exist ...

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    After closed-door House and Senate caucuses review the secret list of gun-control, school-safety and mental-health legislation, top Democratic and Republican leaders will meet a final time, then announce what they will debate and vote on later in the week.

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshootin...#ixzz2P5zeOGsM

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    “I wake up in the morning and put this green ribbon and pin on my jacket lapel to remember those we’ve lost,” said John McKinney, a Republican who represents Newtown and is the Senate minority leader. “And what I’m proud of is that all of us, Republicans and Democrats, understood that some issues, and this one particularly, should rise above politics.” http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/02/ny...ontrol.html?hp
    It appears Connecticut is going to have some strong Firearm Safety laws on the books.

    Hopefully the firearm community will learn from it's mistakes. Next time something like this happens, don't play the blame game, drop the NRA dogma, and be constructive. We in the firearms community are in a collective sad state of affairs when posted on most firearm forums, we have quacked-out individuals asserting that the school shooting in Connecticut was a conspiracy...it only reflect badly on all of the community. Get our house in order, or we will see stricter firearm law across the Nation.

    The bill is supported by Democrats, and Republicans, both. A victory today...for some.

    Hopefully the firearm owners in my State will tell the NRA to shove it, or tone down its message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    It appears Connecticut is going to have some strong Firearm Safety laws on the books.

    Hopefully the firearm community will learn from it's mistakes. Next time something like this happens, don't play the blame game, drop the NRA dogma, and be constructive. We in the firearms community are in a collective sad state of affairs when posted on most firearm forums, we have quacked-out individuals asserting that the school shooting in Connecticut was a conspiracy...it only reflect badly on all of the community. Get our house in order, or we will see stricter firearm law across the Nation.

    The bill is supported by Democrats, and Republicans, both. A victory today...for some.

    Hopefully the firearm owners in my State will tell the NRA to shove it, or tone down its message.
    I was at several gun bill hearings during this session ... nobody was a wacko or yelling or behaving in a manner to discredit the "cause". We have about 70% democrats ... and the bill being proposed is the output of questionable legislative practices. Its not law yet...

    I don't see any issues with how people behaved .. people have the right to discuss their viewpoints .. if one said that Martians were to blame would you then say "well, that makes all arguments without merit" .. nah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    It appears Connecticut is going to have some strong Firearm Safety laws on the books.
    'Firearms Safety laws'?

    WTF?

    Hopefully the firearm community will learn from it's mistakes. Next time something like this happens, don't play the blame game, drop the NRA dogma, and be constructive.
    What is the 'NRA dogma'? What exactly would you suggest we do to be 'constructive'?


    Hopefully the firearm owners in my State will tell the NRA to shove it, or tone down its message.
    Tone down their message? It doesn't get much more 'toned down' than the NRA.


    I really hope that I am missing some kind of attempt at sarcasm in your post, but I have to admit, I am not getting it if it is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    'Firearms Safety laws'?

    WTF?



    What is the 'NRA dogma'? What exactly would you suggest we do to be 'constructive'?




    Tone down their message? It doesn't get much more 'toned down' than the NRA.


    I really hope that I am missing some kind of attempt at sarcasm in your post, but I have to admit, I am not getting it if it is there.

    If it don't get more toned down than the NRA, that's concerning. Blaming Liberals for why a mass murder occurred at an elementary school, is not constructive. Especially when you have more Liberal lawmakers than Conservative.--Republicans backed the bill as well, though. The tide is shifting, and it seems to be starting in Connecticut, unfortunately.

    I'm not being sarcastic. I recommend that you do what President Obama recommends Americans do when they want Change: Mobilize (in large numbers), march, make your voice heard. It's not the asses in the seats, it the numbers on the streets.

    There were more people showing up to Union Busting a couple years ago--can't remember what State it was in--than to this Connecticut firearms issue. Take a cue from Democratic Liberals, and mobilize in large numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I was at several gun bill hearings during this session ... nobody was a wacko or yelling or behaving in a manner to discredit the "cause". We have about 70% democrats ... and the bill being proposed is the output of questionable legislative practices. Its not law yet...

    I don't see any issues with how people behaved .. people have the right to discuss their viewpoints .. if one said that Martians were to blame would you then say "well, that makes all arguments without merit" .. nah.
    I agree, people have the right to discuss their viewpoints. Unfortunately, some voices, such as the NRA's voice, is being heard the most...and it's nothing more than a fear-mongering, paranoia inducing voice.

    Universal background checks are not necessarily a precursor to registration are not necessarily a precursor to confiscation. Do you care to challenge me, that what I just stated in my previous sentence is not being stated by organization like the NRA? I receive fear-mongering emails from the NRA, at leat a couple times per day, declaring that the Government is coming for our firearms. And to think, I used to be an NRA member.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    It's not the backround checks I have issue with its registration of my ar15 and hi cap pistol mags....
    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I agree, people have the right to discuss their viewpoints. Unfortunately, some voices, such as the NRA's voice, is being heard the most...and it's nothing more than a fear-mongering, paranoia inducing voice.

    Universal background checks are not necessarily a precursor to registration are not necessarily a precursor to confiscation. Do you care to challenge me, that what I just stated in my previous sentence is not being stated by organization like the NRA? I receive fear-mongering emails from the NRA, at leat a couple times per day, declaring that the Government is coming for our firearms. And to think, I used to be an NRA member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Needforspeed1060 View Post
    It's not the backround checks I have issue with its registration of my ar15 and hi cap pistol mags....
    I understand. I don't support registration of AR's, nor "hi cap" magazines. Nobody wants to deal with the real issues, so firearms are gone after, by both sides.

    There may be 80 million plus firearm owners in America, but you'd swear there were less when you go to pro-firearm rallies...why is that? Complacency, firearm ownership has been partisanized by firearm owners.

    Hopefully Connecticut lawmakers will churn out a tampered down version of what seems to be getting sent through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Hopefully Connecticut lawmakers will churn out a tampered down version of what seems to be getting sent through.
    I don't really understand what you mean by this. Do you mean you hope that they pass a less restrictive bill than has been discussed? Not a chance of that happening. Republicans have agreed to sign onto this "deal" even though their votes are not needed. It's done.

    I am actually happy that they are going whole hog and taking off the mask. Shooting these restrictions down in court should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Also, we now will have a list of legislators who only regard the state and federal constitutions as only a speed bump and we can focus our efforts on voting them out of office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyUberAlles View Post
    I don't really understand what you mean by this. Do you mean you hope that they pass a less restrictive bill than has been discussed? Not a chance of that happening. Republicans have agreed to sign onto this "deal" even though their votes are not needed. It's done.

    I am actually happy that they are going whole hog and taking off the mask. Shooting these restrictions down in court should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Also, we now will have a list of legislators who only regard the state and federal constitutions as only a speed bump and we can focus our efforts on voting them out of office.
    It won't be so easy to shoot these restrictions down. And what ground may be gained through the courts is going to take years.

    Your last line, the conclusion, is a bit off. It's possible they see the power they're exercising, in the State and/or Federal Constitution. Since they are State Legislators, they likely see it through the prism of the State Constitution.

    Will some legislators lose their next election? Democrats...not likely....Republicans...some, if there are outside forces throwing money at a candidate that is 'more' Republican than the one who voted in support of the legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    It won't be so easy to shoot these restrictions down. And what ground may be gained through the courts is going to take years.
    Oh it will not be a slam dunk and it will take a while but the odds are in our favor -- trust me -- I know a little something on this topic. Ideally, someone will move to enjoin the implementation of the law as soon as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Your last line, the conclusion, is a bit off. It's possible they see the power they're exercising, in the State and/or Federal Constitution. Since they are State Legislators, they likely see it through the prism of the State Constitution.
    I have no idea what you mean by this. Do you know what the state constitution says about this? Do you know what the federal constitution says about this and how it works with the state constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Will some legislators lose their next election? Democrats...not likely....Republicans...some, if there are outside forces throwing money at a candidate that is 'more' Republican than the one who voted in support of the legislation.
    So what? Should we just roll, lick ourselves, and ask for more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    There were more people showing up to Union Busting a couple years ago--can't remember what State it was in--than to this Connecticut firearms issue. Take a cue from Democratic Liberals, and mobilize in large numbers.
    I'm not quite sure where you're getting this information either. every time there has been something public, firearms owners have personally showed up by the thousands to speak their voice, all saying the same exact things, yet all legislators still doing the exact opposite, saying the majority of their constituents want everything stricter. meanwhile, as the 2A supporters showed up by the thousands, the anti's showed up in volumes of tens, not even 100 total. its our legislators that are to blame. they have an agenda, and they are doing everything they can to get it done, including lying, deceiving, ignoring, breaking CT laws, etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyUberAlles View Post
    Oh it will not be a slam dunk and it will take a while but the odds are in our favor -- trust me -- I know a little something on this topic. Ideally, someone will move to enjoin the implementation of the law as soon as possible.



    I have no idea what you mean by this. Do you know what the state constitution says about this? Do you know what the federal constitution says about this and how it works with the state constitution?



    So what? Should we just roll, lick ourselves, and ask for more?

    It's not just the Constitutions, it's Case Law.

    No, stand up, and make yourself heard through the ballot box, and the Courts.

    The odds may not be in your favor down the road. SCOTUS, if any portion of the new law in Connecticut makes it to the Bench, is going to be a more Liberal Bench, years down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    I'm not quite sure where you're getting this information either. every time there has been something public, firearms owners have personally showed up by the thousands to speak their voice, all saying the same exact things, yet all legislators still doing the exact opposite, saying the majority of their constituents want everything stricter. meanwhile, as the 2A supporters showed up by the thousands, the anti's showed up in volumes of tens, not even 100 total. its our legislators that are to blame. they have an agenda, and they are doing everything they can to get it done, including lying, deceiving, ignoring, breaking CT laws, etc etc
    Legislators are breaking the law? Then it shouldn't be too hard having the law overturned; and the legislators who broke the law, replaced.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I agree, people have the right to discuss their viewpoints. Unfortunately, some voices, such as the NRA's voice, is being heard the most...and it's nothing more than a fear-mongering, paranoia inducing voice.

    Universal background checks are not necessarily a precursor to registration are not necessarily a precursor to confiscation. Do you care to challenge me, that what I just stated in my previous sentence is not being stated by organization like the NRA? I receive fear-mongering emails from the NRA, at leat a couple times per day, declaring that the Government is coming for our firearms. And to think, I used to be an NRA member.
    "Not necessarily.." so it is possible then and if it is possible then gun owners need to worry about it or fear it may happen as does the NRA. Also, when the NRA first came out with the suggestion of armed guards in schools the liberals thought it was crazy. They thought it was crazy to have more guns in the schools and disagreed with the NRA stating that in order to defend against a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun. Well, Newtown itself is considering armed guards and Enfield is going to have armed guards in their schools. Several other schools in other states have also followed suit with more to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LESGTINCT View Post
    Several other schools in other states have also followed suit with more to follow.
    North Branford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    registration are not necessarily a precursor to confiscation.
    Anytime anyone has to do an AFFIRMATIVE act to keep his/her guns ... this requirement is specifically designed to take away the guns ...

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    I see a troll has invaded this board. Don't feed it. Ignore it.

    Good luck Connecticut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogsandhogs View Post
    I see a troll has invaded this board. Don't feed it. Ignore it.

    Good luck Connecticut.
    You don't mean berettalady.....I assure you she pro-gun ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    You don't mean berettalady.....I assure you she pro-gun ...


    The both of you seem to show up ALL over the place, spouting your "knowledge" and "advice".

    (or pulling a$$inine stunts like this: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...action-just-in )
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    After closed-door House and Senate caucuses review the secret list of gun-control, school-safety and mental-health legislation, top Democratic and Republican leaders will meet a final time, then announce what they will debate and vote on later in the week.

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshootin...#ixzz2P5zeOGsM


    http://news.yahoo.com/judge-refuses-...193547679.html

    Looks like in MI, they don't like secret meetings either -- go figure -- but some craziness happened in MI


    I filed a complaint with the FIC on the 2nd -- asked for a TRO ... they sent me a note back "we don't have the authority to issue a TRO" (I would disagree but the deed will already have been done--I'll argue the order later).. but the TRO request was only part of the FIC complaint so it will move onward ... looking to nullify the task force output and the bill (or law) that is the result of the closed door meetings

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post


    The both of you seem to show up ALL over the place, spouting your "knowledge" and "advice".

    (or pulling a$$inine stunts like this: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...action-just-in )

    Hey bro, its a joke ! A joke !

    I am always willing to hear different opinions rollie-eyes .

    Go to a thread and post away.

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