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    What did Einstein say about insanity?

    Yep, let's do the same thing that the Clinton administration did, on top of what the Carter administration started. Maybe this time there won't be a housing bust like before. And then we can wait another 10 years and try it again.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...755_story.html
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    Albert Einstein is not recorded as writing any such thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    What did Einstein say about insanity?
    Albert Einstein is not recorded as writing any such thing. Neither did Francis Marion say Japanese Plums bore no fruit, they do and Japan was not opened to Western commerce until just before the War of Northern Aggression when Perry returned in 1855.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
    Variously misattributed to figures also including Benjamin Franklin and Mark Twain. The earliest known occurrence, and probable origin, is from a 1981 text from Narcotics Anonymous. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein Creative Commons Licensed
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    The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
    Quoted from the caddie in the movie about Bobby Jones when Bobby Jones was trying the same shot over and over again to get out of a pot bunker. The origin of the maxim.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    <snip> Japan was not opened to Western commerce until just before the War of Northern Aggression when Perry returned in 1855. <snip>
    Francisco de Jasso y Azpilicueta (Saint Francis Xavier) was in Japan in 1549. Japan was open to the "west" and conducting trade with Portugal more than 250 years before Perry.

    It is logical to conclude that the Swamp Fox could have known about Japanese plum trees 100+ years after Portugal opened Japan to the west. It is also logical to conclude that the Japanese plum tree(s) observed did not bear fruit. That the Japanese plum tree can bear fruit does not mean that every Japanese plum tree will bear fruit. It all depends on the perspective of the observer and when the observation is taken. This is common in fruit trees, some just will not bear fruit when they should. A Japanese plum tree planted in South Carolina could not bear fruit without a Japanese plum tree of the opposite "sex."

    I do not dispute with your allegation that the Swamp Fox did not make the statement that I attribute to him in my signature. I also do not discount the possibility that he could have made that statement, based on the fact that Japan was open to the "west" 200 years before the Swamp Fox was in full adulthood and a educated man.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Francis Marion left twenty-five letters that are available on line. Francis Marion is not known to have published. Textual analysis of Francis Marion's letters make such a comment as on Japanese Plum trees unlikely, in addition to being wrong. There are three print biographies

    http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu...on&tmode=words on line, none with the word "plum".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Francis Marion left twenty-five letters that are available on line. Francis Marion is not known to have published. Textual analysis of Francis Marion's letters make such a comment as on Japanese Plum trees unlikely, in addition to being wrong. There are three print biographies

    http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu...on&tmode=words on line, none with the word "plum".
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    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Can we get back on topic?
    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Can we get back on topic?
    The title is not the topic? Focus, man, focus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The title is not the topic? Focus, man, focus!
    Uh.....yes it is. Read the linked article and you may be able to link the "quote" used as the thread title to the topic of discussion initiated by the OP.

    Focus, man, focus.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Uh.....yes it is. Read the linked article and you may be able to link the "quote" used as the thread title to the topic of discussion initiated by the OP. Focus, man, focus.
    I did. That's the point, Einstein said no such thing, not Albert Einstein, SouthernBoy Einstein or Francis Marion Einstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    I did. That's the point, Einstein said no such thing, not Albert Einstein, SouthernBoy Einstein or Francis Marion Einstein.
    You have no point re the topic of discussion. The point of this thread escapes you.

    Nightmare = troll at this juncture.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    I did. That's the point, Einstein said no such thing, not Albert Einstein, SouthernBoy Einstein or Francis Marion Einstein.
    That was not my intent. My intent was to use a common vernacular which equates repetitive actions of the same type in the hopes of creating a different result. Gee, I think the vernacular sounds better than what I just wrote. Frankly, I could care less who wrote it... I just used it because it is so common place in today's speech.

    Now can we return to the topic of the link, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    A Creative Commons licensed media search engine is available and obviates the need for 'lawyerly' discussions of copyright. creativecommons.org
    There never has been any need to discuss the fantasies of imaginary "property" holders or their attorneys. They can bloviate about fictitious rights and piss into the wind until they are all a bunch of rotting corpses (good riddance), and they will have failed to modify a single individual's behavior (with the exception of those they have actively aggressed against with their criminal lawsuits).

    All that is needed is careful practice.

    Sorry, I feel the need to say that every so often. Imaginary property has become an indefensible evil.

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    There is no written record that Einstein ever published those words, however, if one understands what Einstein would have meant by those words, the claims by those who say that they received informal communications from Einstein essentially stating that idea are very credible.

    Einstein refused to accept quantum mechanics (which often conflicts with Relativity). Quantum theory asserts that, at the lowest levels, matter and energy act randomly. Predictable behavior only occurs at larger scales. We can see this concept when tossing coins. Toss a single coin (or even two or three) and the outcome of a single experiment (or even two or three) is highly unpredictable. Toss a million coins, even once, or toss even a single coin a million times, and the outcome is quite predictable. With near certainty, you can predict, within a tiny margin, 500,000 tails.

    At the lowest levels, matter and energy behave unpredictably. However, all of these tiny and random occurrences create quite predictable macro results. If you walk into a wall, you can count on bouncing off of it and experiencing some pain.

    To support quantum mechanics, experiments were designed that, when done the same way, over and over again, would produce the same results if Einstein was right, and different results if the advocates of quantum mechanics were right.

    The quote from Einstein simply was calling quantum mechanics "insanity" because those advocating quantum mechanics would do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results from the experiments.

    Einstein was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    There is no written record that Einstein ever published those words, however, if one understands what Einstein would have meant by those words, the claims by those who say that they received informal communications from Einstein essentially stating that idea are very credible.

    Einstein refused to accept quantum mechanics (which often conflicts with Relativity). Quantum theory asserts that, at the lowest levels, matter and energy act randomly. Predictable behavior only occurs at larger scales. We can see this concept when tossing coins. Toss a single coin (or even two or three) and the outcome of a single experiment (or even two or three) is highly unpredictable. Toss a million coins, even once, or toss even a single coin a million times, and the outcome is quite predictable. With near certainty, you can predict, within a tiny margin, 500,000 tails.

    At the lowest levels, matter and energy behave unpredictably. However, all of these tiny and random occurrences create quite predictable macro results. If you walk into a wall, you can count on bouncing off of it and experiencing some pain.

    To support quantum mechanics, experiments were designed that, when done the same way, over and over again, would produce the same results if Einstein was right, and different results if the advocates of quantum mechanics were right.

    The quote from Einstein simply was calling quantum mechanics "insanity" because those advocating quantum mechanics would do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results from the experiments.

    Einstein was wrong.
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    Back OT.

    Obama is advocating for the return of the sub-prime mortgage market so that the housing market will crash again. Any claims that it is to "stimulate" the economy is a baldfaced lie. Obama wants another crash.

    Nothing Obama does is by accident. He is a liberal and a housing crash works to the benefit of liberals. When folks are "down and out" Obama knows they will turn to government, we have recent history to confirm this fact, and once they feed from the trough they are addicted forever and thus will vote democrat forever.

    they enemy of the liberal agenda is individual citizens becoming self-reliant and prospering economically. Obama and his liberal minions will do anything to interdict self-reliance and individual economic prosperity. All one must do is read the news re the "sequester" and the evidence as to the truth of my words presents itself.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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