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    Bluegrass Airport

    So I was just at the Bluegrass Airport in Lexington dropping a friend off when I noticed a sign on all the doors which I'd not seen before -- "No firearms beyond this point"

    This was on the doors going into the public lobby of the airport.

    First and foremost, I thought OC was allowed in such areas, just not behind the TSA line.

    Secondly, and perhaps just as importantly, it makes traveling to another state with your gun secured in a lock box seemingly illegal (i.e., if you're moving to another state and want to legally check your firearms in at the gate).

    Maybe someone can clarify?
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    I am no expert but I think that you are correct about allowing the firearm up to the secure areas.

    I thought this was fixed. We'll have our local "experts" give us their opinion.

    If I have to, and it is legal, then I'll walk through those doors.
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    It is legal to carry up until the "secured" area of the TSA molestation station.

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    Bluegrass Airport

    Ive got a good friend thats a cop there ill ask and post what he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by o3rugby1 View Post
    Ive got a good friend thats a cop there ill ask and post what he says.
    It's sadly becoming a small habit lately, people who ask a cop what they can and cannot do, then take their word as law.

    Don't ask your 'friend' anything, consult our state laws, and if there is no law concerning your question, then you can either take it as being solved, or go to a Commonwealths Attorney, but I'd suggest you go to a paid private attorney who specializes is Firearms laws/cases, and ask for a free opinion.

    Don't trust a single thing that a LEO says to you, they are legally allowed to lie and say whatever they can to try and coax you to confess, or to do, something illegal or suspicious; also, LEO's are -not- required to know any aspect of the law, that is for the Judge, and the Prosecuting attorney to know, the cops just write the tickets and make the arrests.
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    Bluegrass Airport

    Ok i wont post on it.
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    This is a violation of KRS 65.870

    According to the Bluegrass Airport website, it is owned and operated by the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Airport Board, a 10-member board of directors appointed by the mayor of Lexington and confirmed by the Urban County Council.

    KRS 65.870 states:

    "(1) No existing or future city, county, urban-county government, charter county, consolidated local government, unified local government, special district, local or regional public or quasi-public agency, board, commission, department, public corporation, or any person acting under the authority of any of these organizations may occupy any part of the field of regulation of the manufacture, sale, purchase, taxation, transfer, ownership, possession, carrying, storage, or transportation of firearms, ammunition, components of firearms, components of ammunition, firearms accessories, or combination thereof."

    I'm certain KC3 is already working on this but you may want to contact them to be sure. If not, then consult an attorney and consider suing them. Do not ask "a cop" and do not write a letter to the board. They had their chance to get in line with the new law and failed to do so. Now 65.870 gives us the ability to force them to remove the offending signage, they will be charged with a misdemeanor AND they have to pay our legal fees. Go back and read sections 4, 5 and 6 of 65.870. Quite a few "shalls" in those sections.

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    Bluegrass Airport

    They are takeing the signs down at the BG Airport about firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    It's sadly becoming a small habit lately, people who ask a cop what they can and cannot do, then take their word as law.

    Don't ask your 'friend' anything, consult our state laws, and if there is no law concerning your question, then you can either take it as being solved, or go to a Commonwealths Attorney, but I'd suggest you go to a paid private attorney who specializes is Firearms laws/cases, and ask for a free opinion.

    Don't trust a single thing that a LEO says to you, they are legally allowed to lie and say whatever they can to try and coax you to confess, or to do, something illegal or suspicious; also, LEO's are -not- required to know any aspect of the law, that is for the Judge, and the Prosecuting attorney to know, the cops just write the tickets and make the arrests.
    While much of what you say is true, painting with a broad brush often gets paint where it doesn't belong.

    I have been promoting gun ownership and usage for probably more years than you have been alive, although I stand to be corrected on that.

    In my 23 years as a KSP Trooper I tried diligenty to provide correct and up to date information when asked. I also tried to answer questions asked of me as truthfully as I could.

    I fully realize and admit that there are officers who make me ashamed that they wear a badge, but that doesn't mean all are bad.

    I see almost every profession known to man doing a perp walk at one time or another on television or in the newspaper.

    I would rather judge each individual on their own merits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOverlay View Post
    While much of what you say is true, painting with a broad brush often gets paint where it doesn't belong.
    I think that maybe Drake didn't paint with a broad enough brush.

    You should never trust anyone's advice on the law unless you are willing to bet your freedom on it. Officers, like everyone else, perpetuate myths. I have no doubt that most people do this only because they think it is fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I think that maybe Drake didn't paint with a broad enough brush.

    You should never trust anyone's advice on the law unless you are willing to bet your freedom on it. Officers, like everyone else, perpetuate myths. I have no doubt that most people do this only because they think it is fact.
    I can see Mr. Overlays point as well as I can see yours. I always check for myself, and encourage everyone else to do the same. But sometimes I'll ask LEO just to see how far they are off. Sometimes they are miles off and sometimes they are dead on. It's just a good learning experience for me to do so....not to mention somewhat entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I think that maybe Drake didn't paint with a broad enough brush.

    You should never trust anyone's advice on the law unless you are willing to bet your freedom on it. Officers, like everyone else, perpetuate myths. I have no doubt that most people do this only because they think it is fact.
    Yep even those who are in prison today because of their lawyers performance or lack thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    1. The signs were there up until a few days ago.
    2. The airport policy manual said guns were prohibited on all airport property.
    3. A lawsuit was filed in Fayette Circuit Court on April 3rd by KC3.

    Any guesses why the signs came down?

    That was quick.

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    Can someone please inform me of the status or what became of this issue?

    Today 5/26/13 I went to Bluegrass Airport to pick up my fiancee before I departed I searched here and found this same thread, Thinking the open carry and no firearms signs had been fixed, So naturally I was dressed to open carry to pick her up. I was wrong. Every front main entrance door had the following sign " No firearms beyond this point". Not wanting to walk thru a door labeled this mainly due to I really didn't have the time today to deal with any encounters related so i simply walked to my truck and secured my firearm inside.

    I have carried in the Louisville Airport in the last 2 months prob a half dozen times as I never once have walked thru a door there that had any signs related to firearms.

    Long story short, Why the heck are the signs back up at Bluegrass Airport?


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    Here is what I found.

    http://www.bluegrassairport.com/docu...sandRegs-3.pdf

    This is from their official download site on firearms regulations

    14. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS No Person (excluding Airport Public Safety Officers, commissioned law enforcement officers, Federal Air Marshals, Federal Flight Deck Officers and government commissioned peace officers) may carry, possess, use or store any Firearm, ammunition, explosive or destructive device or other deadly Weapons in any form inside the Passenger Terminal or on Airport property, except to the extent that Firearms or Weapons (excluding explosives) are properly encased for shipment with an airline to be lawfully transported on an Aircraft as cargo or checked baggage and actually delivered to an airline before the Person approaches the security checkpoint. No Person shall: A. B. C. D. Release an arrow from a bow, crossbow or longbow within or over Airport property unless approved by the Executive Director or designee. Discharge any Firearm or Weapon while within the confines of Airport property, except for Airport Public Safety Officers, other Law Enforcement Officers, Airport Operations Personnel, or other Personnel authorized by the Executive Director or designee. Discharge any device capable of propelling a capsule which upon impact with a Person or object will release a dye, colorant, water, pellet, BB, ball bearing, pebble or rock on Airport property without authorization from the Executive Director or designee. Other than government commissioned law enforcement Personnel, carry a concealed Weapon even when possessing the appropriate Carrying Concealed Deadly Weapons (CCDW) permit on any area of the Airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of Persons and property or where the carrying of Firearms is prohibited by law
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick H View Post
    http://www.bluegrassairport.com/docu...sandRegs-3.pdf

    This is from their official download site on firearms regulations

    14. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS No Person (excluding Airport Public Safety Officers, commissioned law enforcement officers, Federal Air Marshals, Federal Flight Deck Officers and government commissioned peace officers) may carry, possess, use or store any Firearm, ammunition, explosive or destructive device or other deadly Weapons in any form inside the Passenger Terminal or on Airport property, except to the extent that Firearms or Weapons (excluding explosives) are properly encased for shipment with an airline to be lawfully transported on an Aircraft as cargo or checked baggage and actually delivered to an airline before the Person approaches the security checkpoint. No Person shall: A. B. C. D. Release an arrow from a bow, crossbow or longbow within or over Airport property unless approved by the Executive Director or designee. Discharge any Firearm or Weapon while within the confines of Airport property, except for Airport Public Safety Officers, other Law Enforcement Officers, Airport Operations Personnel, or other Personnel authorized by the Executive Director or designee. Discharge any device capable of propelling a capsule which upon impact with a Person or object will release a dye, colorant, water, pellet, BB, ball bearing, pebble or rock on Airport property without authorization from the Executive Director or designee. Other than government commissioned law enforcement Personnel, carry a concealed Weapon even when possessing the appropriate Carrying Concealed Deadly Weapons (CCDW) permit on any area of the Airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of Persons and property or where the carrying of Firearms is prohibited by law
    Isn't the sole fact that the headline title of that document reads "LEXINGTON-FAYETTE URBAN COUNTY
    AIRPORT BOARD" deems the airport or that document of KRS 65.870? http://www.lrc.ky.gov/krs/065-00/870.pdf

    I dont understand how the first point of firearms mentions basically its not allowed in any form to carry on any part of the property yet 14 D reads "Airport to which access is controlled by the inspection
    of Persons and property or where the carrying of Firearms is prohibited by law." which would mean past security which we all know we cant carry?

    Would love some input as me going to the bluegrass airport quite often to pick up friends and family and judging by their little handbook its not allowed to carry even to do so.

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    See post #7 above:

    BGA is run by a Board. They are in violation of KRS 65.870. Hire a lawyer and go get 'em. The Board will be found guilty of a misdemeanor, they will take down the signs and they will cover your legal expenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEX_XDM40compact View Post
    Can someone please inform me of the status or what became of this issue?

    Today 5/26/13 I went to Bluegrass Airport to pick up my fiancee before I departed I searched here and found this same thread, Thinking the open carry and no firearms signs had been fixed, So naturally I was dressed to open carry to pick her up. I was wrong. Every front main entrance door had the following sign " No firearms beyond this point". Not wanting to walk thru a door labeled this mainly due to I really didn't have the time today to deal with any encounters related so i simply walked to my truck and secured my firearm inside.

    I have carried in the Louisville Airport in the last 2 months prob a half dozen times as I never once have walked thru a door there that had any signs related to firearms.

    Long story short, Why the heck are the signs back up at Bluegrass Airport?



    I know this is a old post bump but wanted to keep it alive to note this sign is STILL posted on every entrance to the Bluegrass Airport, and I am still confused if this is in violation of KRS 65.870 or not :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEX_XDM40compact View Post
    I know this is a old post bump but wanted to keep it alive to note this sign is STILL posted on every entrance to the Bluegrass Airport, and I am still confused if this is in violation of KRS 65.870 or not :|
    Yes it is still in violation of 65.870
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    Gutshot, thank you again for your continued work on this. I have started writing emails, and will continue to do so in the morning!

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    Why so much focus on concealed carried firearms, or CC permit holders? how come part C is ... so meh? like, A and B is strongly written insofar as Concealed carrying and CC holders goes, and paragraph C feels like it's KC3's way of paying lip service to us OC'ers.

    Maybe when there is a OC version of KC3, Then I'll throw money at them.
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    Sorry for the late reply I spent the last 3 weeks in the Lone star state. ( let me tell you some terrible gun laws imo ) anywho

    GS thanks again for all your hardwork and reports for the insight and the replies I also have some emails I am typing up now based on your information and I am now looking into it in more depth.

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    Technically, a "point" has no dimensions .... so saying beyond this point means every place around it but on the point .. which one cannot stand on.

    SO everywhere in the world, no guns...sorry but that's math for ya !

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much interest in this thread or this issue. I've spoken to many people that I consider very pro-gun and the response is almost universal, "I don't fly out of Blue Grass Airport. I don't care." This is very sad. I've never flown out of LEX, but I care that they are using their power to steal other people's liberty. I hope I am wrong, but I am afraid that this bill is going to generate so little interest and that it directly effects such a small number of people that it will go nowhere. Only the people who live and fly around Lexington seem to care. What most people don't think about is that if Blue Grass Airport can get by with this, the other airports that have so far complied with 65.870 will decide to adopt a similar policy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up, I'll keep working on this, because this is what I do, but it does not look good, so far. It is not that the members of the General Assembly doesn't care, it is the typical gun owner that doesn't seem to care.

    I agree.

    I fly out of there twice a year. SDF is used for my other travels even thoe i live in Lex just based on flight fair etc.

    But you are exactly right what the citizens in CT allowed to happen with the gun registry bs will only allow other towns to follow etc.. Why not the same once one airport finds out bluegrass has a sign up and a policy why shouldn't we etc etc follow suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    I'm a bit mystified by your reference to a Ct. gun registry. I have never mentioned Ct. and know nothing about their "gun registry". You are exactly right about the other airports following suit. That is my biggest fear. KC3 did a lot of hard, expensive work to get them to comply with the law. Once they learn about this, that could all be undone. Blue Grass Airport is convenient because its small and easy to get to and from the planes, pick up luggage, parking lot is closer, less traffic to contend with; but SDF has more flights, more airlines and lower fares due to SWA being there.
    Ahh i was referencing the recent gun law passed there which required its citizens to stand in line and register their guns. ( info here http://www.ctnewsjunkie.com/archives...ssault_rifles/ ) I used it as an example to what is to come once other govn bodies see what can be done. Used it as relation to here where once one airport does it others will follow suit.

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