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    liquor license question

    If you are asked by manager of a business that has a liquor license whether or not you have a permit and the manager asks if he could see the permit what would you do? I don't think there is a wrong answer but I would be interested in how you would react.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    If you are asked by manager of a business that has a liquor license whether or not you have a permit and the manager asks if he could see the permit what would you do? I don't think there is a wrong answer but I would be interested in how you would react.
    As the business agent, he has the right to ask.

    You have the right to outright refuse, or try to engage in a conversation.

    He has the right to ask you to leave, and have you arrested if you do not leave immediately.
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    If you are asked by manager of a business that has a liquor license whether or not you have a permit and the manager asks if he could see the permit what would you do? I don't think there is a wrong answer but I would be interested in how you would react.
    As with everything my personal reaction would depend on the totality of the circumstances. And my personal reaction has nothing to do with how anyone else would handle the situation.

    1. Manager obviously has an attitude or their status as manager/manager's representative is in question... I'll just say something on the order of "No. You are not LE and do not have the authority to ask for it." Then wait to see what they do next... if they say that if I don't show my permit then I must leave I'll turn around and walk out and follow up later with upper management complete with a copy of the audio/video recording of the incident.

    2. Manager seems to be honestly interested and curious... I'll ask why they would like to see it and if the answer is that if I do then he/she will allow me to continue with my day I'll likely show it BUT!!!! it will NOT leave my hands. And by complying with their request I would hope to have a lengthy conversation with that manager so the next open carrying person won't be bothered.

    But even if it turns out to be a very good interaction I'll still contact corporate/the owner and make sure they know their manager did a good thing. I believe in giving credit where credit is due... both to make sure the owner/boss knows when credit for a bad interaction is due... and when credit for a good interaction is due.

    I'll offer an opinion here....

    I do believe that all too often we open carriers are quick to complain when a business treats us poorly yet we are entirely too slow to extend a compliment when businesses do right by us.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Basically, as long as they're polite in their request, I'll show them my license. It won't leave my hands, but I'll show it to them.
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