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    Birth of a State?

    This video is pretty cool, and not only for the laughable efficacy of "gun control". If you're familiar with the writings of Augustine and the power of the cartels in Mexico, you may find this video interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=Fp9LHmgtvkw#!

    If they can legitimize their violence, make it predictable and tone it down a little bit, they may be on their way. Throw in some fancier uniforms, a flag, a coat of arms and Presto! You got a "legitimate" government.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    This video is pretty cool, and not only for the laughable efficacy of "gun control". If you're familiar with the writings of Augustine and the power of the cartels in Mexico, you may find this video interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=Fp9LHmgtvkw#!

    If they can legitimize their violence, make it predictable and tone it down a little bit, they may be on their way. Throw in some fancier uniforms, a flag, a coat of arms and Presto! You got a "legitimate" government.
    Hahahaha!! Thomas Paine disassembled royal authority in Common Sense when he pointed out that the king's ancestry basically amounted to a thug who moved in and took over after winning a few battles for control. Thug violence, in a word.

    Somehow, many, some even on this forum, don't see the same glaring hole in the legitimacy of a government arrived at by a large group of people voting for some who then are the one's to threaten violence for non-compliance. "Oh, we picked that guy to be your extortionist, so its now legitimate. Even if you didn't pick him. Even if you didn't want to participate in the picking at all. Even if you didn't want anything to do with it. No, we picked him, so now you must comply or get lumps. He will give you the violence for us."

    The group who voted in the government has no more legitimate claim to extend that government over me than the thugs antecedent to the kings of England.
    Last edited by Citizen; 04-07-2013 at 10:08 PM.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Hahahaha!! Thomas Paine disassembled royal authority in Common Sense when he pointed out that the king's ancestry basically amounted to a thug who moved in and took over after winning a few battles for control. Thug violence, in a word.

    Somehow, many, some even on this forum, don't see the same glaring hole in the legitimacy of a government arrived at by a large group of people voting for some who then are the one's to threaten violence for non-compliance. "Oh, we picked that guy to be your extortionist, so its now legitimate. Even if you didn't pick him. Even if you didn't want to participate in the picking at all. Even if you didn't want anything to do with it. No, we picked him, so now you must comply or get lumps. He will give you the violence for us."

    The group who voted in the government has no more legitimate claim to extend that government over me than the thugs antecedent to the kings of England.
    +1 We can't have a government of consent if only a minority of the population consented....

    I think it's one reason why voting is pushed like a religious sacrament, they have to try so hard to legitimize their rule.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Somehow, many, some even on this forum, don't see the same glaring hole in the legitimacy of a government arrived at by a large group of people voting for some who then are the one's to threaten violence for non-compliance. "Oh, we picked that guy to be your extortionist, so its now legitimate. Even if you didn't pick him. Even if you didn't want to participate in the picking at all. Even if you didn't want anything to do with it. No, we picked him, so now you must comply or get lumps. He will give you the violence for us."
    While I was deployed I read a book called "Patriots" and this was EXACTLY what happened in the book after the collapse of the US. Personally I found it to be a rather good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1 We can't have a government of consent if only a minority of the population consented....

    I think it's one reason why voting is pushed like a religious sacrament, they have to try so hard to legitimize their rule.
    +1! I never thought about that! Great point!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1 We can't have a government of consent if only a minority of the population consented....

    I think it's one reason why voting is pushed like a religious sacrament, they have to try so hard to legitimize their rule.
    I agree, voting is a brilliant method of social control. I vote locally if there is somebody worth voting for, but I generally abstain from national elections. It's not like I can change the outcome anyway.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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