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    PoliceOne survey indicates officers prefer armed citizenry but are leery of OC

    http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legisla...-gun-violence/

    Interesting stuff. May help combat the "90% of Americans support universal background checks" nonsense.

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    LEOs support armed citizens

    Very surprised that this hasn't drawn a LOT more attention.

    Gun Policy & Law Enforcement: Survey Results
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Very surprised that this hasn't drawn a LOT more attention.
    I'm not ... politicians don't care. And the cops don't either. I have not seen a case where they refused (actually refused) to arrest someone for their "convictions" OR "beliefs".

    Correct me if I am wrong...


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I'm not ... politicians don't care. And the cops don't either. I have not seen a case where they refused (actually refused) to arrest someone for their "convictions" OR "beliefs".

    Correct me if I am wrong...


    Cops want their pensions .. they are simple employees ... nothing more
    Did you even read the results?

    OTOH - It is unlikely that you would read about something that did not happen.
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    Are you really surprised it's not drawing more attention? Attention from who exactly? It most definitely does not promote the anti-gun agenda of the mainstream media so your not going to see it there. I've seen it posted on every pro-gun group I frequent, but no surprise there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    Are you really surprised it's not drawing more attention? Attention from who exactly? It most definitely does not promote the anti-gun agenda of the mainstream media so your not going to see it there. I've seen it posted on every pro-gun group I frequent, but no surprise there.
    Yes, I am surprised and not a little disappointed that there has not been more favorable reaction here on OCDO.

    Some are quick to condemn law enforcement and call others apologists for standing up for the good guys. Now that there is some evidence that many, as in a great deal, do support much of our thinking, all I hear are crickets chirping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post

    Correct me if I am wrong...


    Cops want their pensions .. they are simple employees ... nothing more
    For the vast majority this is true, but there are a few that are on a power trip to entertain their ego on their way to retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Yes, I am surprised and not a little disappointed that there has not been more favorable reaction here on OCDO.

    Some are quick to condemn law enforcement and call others apologists for standing up for the good guys. Now that there is some evidence that many, as in a great deal, do support much of our thinking, all I hear are crickets chirping.
    I tried to stick up for the LEO's in the other thread that was posted in general discussion or wherever it was posted. Maybe their reasoning is that many of the officers didn't support OC? Which I don't mind, I don't personally care what someone thinks as long as they don't impose their thoughts on me. I guess the questionnaire didn't have a "I'm against it and I harass every OC'er I come across" but I would have to assume that MOST LEO are not of this mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    I tried to stick up for the LEO's in the other thread that was posted in general discussion or wherever it was posted. Maybe their reasoning is that many of the officers didn't support OC? Which I don't mind, I don't personally care what someone thinks as long as they don't impose their thoughts on me. I guess the questionnaire didn't have a "I'm against it and I harass every OC'er I come across" but I would have to assume that MOST LEO are not of this mindset.
    I agree with your last observation, with a proviso. "Big city" cops seem to be more inclined to fall in your "harass every OCer" category even if OC is not prohibited. "Small town" cops not so much it seems.

    I believe that it, the "typical" response by a cop to a OCer, is not so much personal opinion driven but that cop trying to balance respecting rights and following department policy. I also believe, no evidence only personal experience, that cops in my area are exercising their "discretion" re OCers and not making contact just as they would not contact a citizen who is not visibly armed.

    Overall, it seems to me that beat cops get it and their boss likely does not get it, or at least publicly does not get it. Top Cops, the appointed ones, like their job and have a desire to not evoke a negative reaction from the fella who signs his paycheck.

    Maybe the disconnect between Chiefs (appointed) and sheriffs (elected) is evidence that i may not be too far afield in this regard.
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