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    Summary of Manchin-Toomey Amendment

    See this post over on the News and Politics forum for a summary of the Manchin-Toomey Amendment, and my thoughts.

    Belongs over there, but many here will want to see what they are saying the Amendment will offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    See this post over on the News and Politics forum for a summary of the Manchin-Toomey Amendment, and my thoughts.

    Belongs over there, but many here will want to see what they are saying the Amendment will offer.

    TFred
    Boy...they're going all out to pass a bill. Let's see if PT Barnum was right.

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    The Toomey-Manchin Proposal Will Allow Doctors to Block Your Right to Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Boy...they're going all out to pass a bill. Let's see if PT Barnum was right.
    As user warns, it's worse than advertised:

    The Toomey-Manchin Proposal Will Allow Doctors to Block Your Right to Guns
    I just talked to someone familiar with the Toomey-Manchin proposal who raises a serious concern based on his understanding of the legislation.

    The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.

    There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.

    Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, ...
    Yes, it gets worse.

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    More coverage, from WaPo.

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    Interesting excerpts:

    The amendment to the guns legislation already proposed in the Senate would not cover private transactions between individuals, unless there was advertising or an online service involved.

    Under the terms of the Manchin-Toomey deal, all background checks would be conducted by federally licensed gun dealers, who would need to verify the validity of a purchaserís gun license and record that a check was performed. Background checks would need to be completed within three days, except at gun shows, where they would have to be completed within two days for the next four years, and then within 24 hours. To avoid processing delays, the FBI would be required to complete background checks requested at gun shows before those requested elsewhere.

    A precise list of which transactions would be covered by the background-check deal was not immediately available. One person familiar with the discussions said the proposed legislation would likely require background checks on all advertised transactions, including those posted on Internet sale sites. It was unlikely, the person said, that sales conducted through an individual, private e-mail exchange would be governed by the new deal. But, he added, it is impossible to say with certainty until legislative language is announced.

    Under the Manchin-Toomey deal, records of the newly covered transactions would be kept by federally licensed arms dealers, according to a person familiar with the agreement. Currently, licensed arms dealers keep records of gun sales that take place in gun stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfred View Post

    under the terms of the manchin-toomey deal, all background checks would be conducted by federally licensed gun dealers, who would need to verify the validity of a purchaserís gun license and record that a check was performed.
    A WHAT? We are going to need a license to purchase a gun now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    As user warns, it's worse than advertised:

    The Toomey-Manchin Proposal Will Allow Doctors to Block Your Right to Guns


    Yes, it gets worse.
    Indeed. Call Senator Warner's office asap. Not only will liberal activist Drs. turn you in for any contrived reason, the people that actually need help will be reluctant to seek treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty-five View Post
    Indeed. Call Senator Warner's office asap. Not only will liberal activist Drs. turn you in for any contrived reason, the people that actually need help will be reluctant to seek treatment.
    What especially scares me is I wonder - is there any language that would prevent them from placing folks they don't even know onto the list , people they have never even spoken to or treated? Perhaps based on, say, a forum post, FB post, twitter feed, or even liking a picture on FB? Or even hearsay of such things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic View Post
    What especially scares me is I wonder - is there any language that would prevent them from placing folks they don't even know onto the list , people they have never even spoken to or treated? Perhaps based on, say, a forum post, FB post, twitter feed, or even liking a picture on FB? Or even hearsay of such things?
    Another pass the bill so that we can see what's in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic View Post
    A WHAT? We are going to need a license to purchase a gun now?
    Obviously we can't say for sure, because we haven't seen the text of the amendment yet.

    I would attribute this statement to either the ignorance of the reporter, or the ignorance of the author of the amendment. Whichever one it is, obviously they have no clue that most states do not require a license to merely own a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Obviously we can't say for sure, because we haven't seen the text of the amendment yet.

    I would attribute this statement to either the ignorance of the reporter, or the ignorance of the author of the amendment. Whichever one it is, obviously they have no clue that most states do not require a license to merely own a firearm.

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    I don't want to assume that until I read the bill which hopefully is less than a thousand pages.

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