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    Today's laughable moment at Greentop

    Had a rare Sunday off, and the house to myself....so where else would I go on my day off? To a few gun stores.

    I had wanted to pick up another Glock and wasn't having much luck online locally. Went to GT and saw a few things and then the counter guy tells me about a used G32 Gen. 4 in .357 Sig that just came in. Hasn't even been test fired and cleaned yet. He goes back and gets it and says the price is $525. The gun looked really nice. I took a cursory look and mildly tried to gauge his price flexibility.....$525 firm.....so I said "I'll think about it".

    Went to a few other places and then back to GT. I now asked a different sales guy about the Glock 32 and he went and got it. The slide looked immaculate, the white rings on the night sights were sharp. I took it apart, and checked the night sights....not very bright. I asked about it and the guy said "oh they're fine".....yet somehow dimmer than my 6 year old sights (same brand). The gun was also filled with some white goop.

    The slide lock lever is worn, with the black paint missing on it. Then, I looked at the ejector - twisted! Not only twisted, but there were wear marks on the high side. I point it out to the counter guy and he says, "maybe its bent because its a .357 Sig.". I said, "Well, .357 Sig uses the same casing as a .40, and I have the .40 cal. version and the ejector is straight and flat.....I'm a Glock armorer", to which he replies that he is as well...hhmm....so he goes and gets a .40 caliber model 23, and the ejector is straight as an arrow. So I explain to him that someone was monkeying around with the ejector.

    All of a sudden, some lanky young guy walks up and says, 'Oh, you are looking at my gun". Apparently, he sold this gun to GT. So I asked if he did anything to the ejector and he says, "Oh yeah, Glock factory modification....I heated it up and twisted it so that it would eject the casings farther".

    Now, maybe I was napping during that part of my armorer's class, but I've never heard of a "Glock factory mod" of heating the ejector and twisting it. There was also what appeared to be some rust under the rear sight. The previous owner then admits that he put these sights on.

    I wanted to ask the counter guy if the price was still $525, but I couldn't do it with a straight face.
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    I guess the original owner didn't own a Dremel, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    I guess the original owner didn't own a Dremel, huh?
    I think he actually did the work with a Buick.
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    I'm guessing you walked out of GT Glockless.

    I admit to striking an interest over the last few weeks in a Glock 21SF. Do you have any experience with them? Any opinions or thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    I'm guessing you walked out of GT Glockless.

    I admit to striking an interest over the last few weeks in a Glock 21SF. Do you have any experience with them? Any opinions or thoughts?
    As much as it pains me to say this SB....I have a 21 and really like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    I'm guessing you walked out of GT Glockless.
    Yep



    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    I admit to striking an interest over the last few weeks in a Glock 21SF. Do you have any experience with them? Any opinions or thoughts?
    I've never shot one, but its a Glock...what else do you really need to know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    SNIP Now, maybe I was napping during that part of my armorer's class, but I've never heard of a "Glock factory mod" of heating the ejector and twisting it.
    Oh, yeah. Standard stuff. The heating anneals the temper right out of the extractor so it will twist without snapping, don't you know. I'm sure the factory modification training you missed included the exact temperature to reheat so it could be re-tempered after being twisted. You did ask him about that factory-recommended temperature for tempering, right?

    /sarcasm

    Bwhahahahahahahahahahaaa!! Some people will say anything to cover up their jack-leg gunsmithing.
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    That's crazy

    FWIW tho the gen 4's do have a twisted ejector. At least on the 17's and 22's (those are the only gen 4's I have looked at personally)

    My buddy has a gen 3 17 and his ejector is straight and my Gen 4 17 has a twist to it. And the gen 3 vs gen 4 22 is the same. Twisted on the 4 and straight on the 3...

    Edit: pic of my Gen 4 G17 ejector



    Gen 4 vs gen 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by HearseGuy View Post
    That's crazy

    FWIW tho the gen 4's do have a twisted ejector.
    Its hard to explain what it looked like without a photo, but the side that was twisted up had pieces of metal shaved off of it where it must be contacting the underside of the slide. It was definitely fubar'ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    I'm guessing you walked out of GT Glockless.

    I admit to striking an interest over the last few weeks in a Glock 21SF. Do you have any experience with them? Any opinions or thoughts?
    Just a thought since you'e a thinking person from the great Northern wasteland SB

    Why don't you get a 20. I've started carrying it more than anything else for a burb gun.

    You can shoot 10mm or 40's with no changes.

    Spend a hundred bucks and get a barrel and mainspring and you have a 357 Sig.

    Spend another hundred and you have a 9x25 Dillon which is the little brother to the 460 Rowland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Just a thought since you'e a thinking person from the great Northern wasteland SB

    Why don't you get a 20. I've started carrying it more than anything else for a burb gun.

    You can shoot 10mm or 40's with no changes.

    Spend a hundred bucks and get a barrel and mainspring and you have a 357 Sig.

    Spend another hundred and you have a 9x25 Dillon which is the little brother to the 460 Rowland.
    (chuckle) You remind me of some hunters I've met.

    "Well, I've got a .30-30 for deer. I've got a .45-70 for elk and bison. I've got a .475 Holland and Holland for big game when I go to Africa."

    You sound like you got a different caliber for each kind of criminal you might meet.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    I gotta say, this doesn't give me warm fuzzies about buying a used gun at Greentop!

    Not that I ever have... but you never know, might want to some day.

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    You misunderstood

    The Sales guy said $5.25 for the used Glock.

    They sell them for true value. ;>)

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Just a thought since you'e a thinking person from the great Northern wasteland SB

    Why don't you get a 20. I've started carrying it more than anything else for a burb gun.

    You can shoot 10mm or 40's with no changes.

    Spend a hundred bucks and get a barrel and mainspring and you have a 357 Sig.

    Spend another hundred and you have a 9x25 Dillon which is the little brother to the 460 Rowland.
    Good golly Miz Molle, ve haf custom-mer-guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    I had wanted to pick up another Glock and wasn't having much luck online locally. Went to GT and saw a few things and then the counter guy tells me about a used G32 Gen. 4 in .357 Sig that just came in. Hasn't even been test fired and cleaned yet. He goes back and gets it and says the price is $525. The gun looked really nice. I took a cursory look and mildly tried to gauge his price flexibility.....$525 firm.....so I said "I'll think about it".

    Just answering this part - did you try Gadsden Guns in Beaverdam? I sent a friend there for a Glock last week, but I don't know what they have in stock. (Owned by a VCDL EM.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Its hard to explain what it looked like without a photo, but the side that was twisted up had pieces of metal shaved off of it where it must be contacting the underside of the slide. It was definitely fubar'ed.
    Yea that def sounds jacked up. Good on you for staying far away from that one. Sucks that some unsuspecting newb that wants his first hand gun will end up buying it with out really knowing what to look for. Might discourage him/her completely from firearm ownership.

    If you buy from someone privately that's one thing. But from a reputable dealer you expect a quality properly functioning firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Just a thought since you'e a thinking person from the great Northern wasteland SB

    Why don't you get a 20. I've started carrying it more than anything else for a burb gun.

    You can shoot 10mm or 40's with no changes.

    Spend a hundred bucks and get a barrel and mainspring and you have a 357 Sig.

    Spend another hundred and you have a 9x25 Dillon which is the little brother to the 460 Rowland.
    How's this possible? The case lengths are not the same and the rounds index on the case mouth? Anyway, I was kinda liking the idea to add one to my other two .45ACP's. Just not yet pushed over the edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Yep





    I've never shot one, but its a Glock...what else do you really need to know?
    Just opinions and reviews. I have an M&P 45 standard frame with the 4" barrel and it is really nice... especially with the Apex Tactical DCAEK and the stock OEM trigger spring instead of the Apex stronger trigger spring. Only down side is it is a 10-round magazine. But the balance and shootability is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    You can shoot 10mm or 40's with no changes.
    I take it your experience does not match this?

    http://thegunzone.com/10v40.html

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    I have a Gen 3 21SF and love it. It is a tack driver for me and that is saying a lot with my mediocre shooting skills. I did add the Zev Tech V4 Race Connector and the ZEV Tech Competition Spring Kit to it from Glockworx.com for a total of $25 shipped. I also added the Trijicon 3 Dot High Night Sight Set (TJ-AP-GLOCK04-GL04) and the LaserMax guide rod laser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    You can shoot 10mm or 40's with no changes.
    Wow, that destroys what I thought I knew about how straight-walled, rimless pistol cartridges headspace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I take it your experience does not match this?

    http://thegunzone.com/10v40.html

    You take it correctly. That's just another "You'll shoot your eye out" writeup.

    Yes, the 40 is shorter than the 10 and in theory, the rimless cartridges headspace on the case mouth.

    In reality, when the cartridge is stripped from the magazine it's caught under the extractor and headspaces on the extractor no matter what the chamber length is.
    If by some miracle it drove the cartridge ahead of the extractor (Which has never happened to me) it wouldn't fire because there isn't enough firing pin protrusion to reach the primer.

    There are some pistols that were made for multiple cartridges that used a double extractor for that very purpose.

    I've only fired 800 or so 40's in my ten and about the same number of 45ACP's in my 460 Rowland...so yes it does work despite what the safety first folks say.

    Now he is right that there is some freebore and the 40 is less accurate in the 10 chamber. The answer to that is seat the bullets a little further out or since the 40 is just a cheap plinking round to me....just ignore it.

    The 40's cycle the 10 slide/spring just fine for me. Maybe the case isn't ejected quite as far, but it is ejected.

    In the Rowland which is in a whole different power universe, I was getting a fair number of FTE and stovepipes so I dropped from a 22 pound spring, to a 20. Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    You take it correctly. That's just another "You'll shoot your eye out" writeup.

    Yes, the 40 is shorter than the 10 and in theory, the rimless cartridges headspace on the case mouth.

    In reality, when the cartridge is stripped from the magazine it's caught under the extractor and headspaces on the extractor no matter what the chamber length is.
    If by some miracle it drove the cartridge ahead of the extractor (Which has never happened to me) it wouldn't fire because there isn't enough firing pin protrusion to reach the primer.

    There are some pistols that were made for multiple cartridges that used a double extractor for that very purpose.

    I've only fired 800 or so 40's in my ten and about the same number of 45ACP's in my 460 Rowland...so yes it does work despite what the safety first folks say.

    Now he is right that there is some freebore and the 40 is less accurate in the 10 chamber. The answer to that is seat the bullets a little further out or since the 40 is just a cheap plinking round to me....just ignore it.

    The 40's cycle the 10 slide/spring just fine for me. Maybe the case isn't ejected quite as far, but it is ejected.

    In the Rowland which is in a whole different power universe, I was getting a fair number of FTE and stovepipes so I dropped from a 22 pound spring, to a 20. Problem solved.
    I can confirm the above as I have done it many times myself, both in a Glock and a Delta Elite.

    The G20 can fire or be converted to fire:
    10mm-357-41mag power
    40SW- cheap practice
    357sig- less pressure almost no recoil
    9x25-was designed for IPSC shooters
    50GI- bigger bullet at 45acp speeds
    22LR-pre panic cheap practice

    The G21 can fire or be converted to fire:
    45ACP
    460Rowland- almost 44mag power
    50GI
    22LR


    I don't really look at these as the 10mm/Rowland trumps these, imho
    400 Corbon
    } with < 165gr these match and in some cases slightly beat 10mm
    40Super


    45Super- beats 10mm with heavier bullets, falls short of 460Rowland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I can confirm the above as I have done it many times myself...
    Aha! Just as I suspected--way too much free time.

    Would you please put some of that time into shaving them hairy legs or finding trousers instead of shorts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Aha! Just as I suspected--way too much free time.

    [b]Would you please put some of that time into shaving them hairy legs or finding trousers instead of shorts!]/b]
    Now that's just mean.

    (BTW, I'm still laughing at that one.)
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