Wow, that destroys what I thought I knew about how straight-walled, rimless pistol cartridges headspace.
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Today's laughable moment at Greentop
- Thread starter ProShooter
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Wow, that destroys what I thought I knew about how straight-walled, rimless pistol cartridges headspace.
You take it correctly. That's just another "You'll shoot your eye out" writeup.
Yes, the 40 is shorter than the 10 and in theory, the rimless cartridges headspace on the case mouth.
In reality, when the cartridge is stripped from the magazine it's caught under the extractor and headspaces on the extractor no matter what the chamber length is.
If by some miracle it drove the cartridge ahead of the extractor (Which has never happened to me) it wouldn't fire because there isn't enough firing pin protrusion to reach the primer.
There are some pistols that were made for multiple cartridges that used a double extractor for that very purpose.
I've only fired 800 or so 40's in my ten and about the same number of 45ACP's in my 460 Rowland...so yes it does work despite what the safety first folks say.
Now he is right that there is some freebore and the 40 is less accurate in the 10 chamber. The answer to that is seat the bullets a little further out or since the 40 is just a cheap plinking round to me....just ignore it.
The 40's cycle the 10 slide/spring just fine for me. Maybe the case isn't ejected quite as far, but it is ejected.
In the Rowland which is in a whole different power universe, I was getting a fair number of FTE and stovepipes so I dropped from a 22 pound spring, to a 20. Problem solved.
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Marco
Regular Member
I can confirm the above as I have done it many times myself, both in a Glock and a Delta Elite.
The G20 can fire or be converted to fire:
10mm-357-41mag power
40SW- cheap practice
357sig- less pressure almost no recoil
9x25-was designed for IPSC shooters
50GI- bigger bullet at 45acp speeds
22LR-pre panic cheap practice
The G21 can fire or be converted to fire:
45ACP
460Rowland- almost 44mag power
50GI
22LR
I don't really look at these as the 10mm/Rowland trumps these, imho
400 Corbon
} with < 165gr these match and in some cases slightly beat 10mm
40Super
45Super- beats 10mm with heavier bullets, falls short of 460Rowland
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Aha! Just as I suspected--way too much free time.
Would you please put some of that time into shaving them hairy legs or finding trousers instead of shorts!
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
Aha! Just as I suspected--way too much free time.
Would you please put some of that time into shaving them hairy legs or finding trousers instead of shorts!]/b]
Now that's just mean.
(BTW, I'm still laughing at that one.)
Wolf_shadow
Activist Member
Aha! Just as I suspected--way too much free time.
Would you please put some of that time into shaving them hairy legs or finding trousers instead of shorts!
Why are you looking at his legs?:uhoh:
I don't know why Citizen is looking at Marco's legs but I always figured anyone tough enough to be running around in shorts when I have two pairs of long johns on and am still cold....didn't even need a gun!
Tanner
Regular Member
not good news
I planned on going there today to get a shotgun of the tactical persuasion! I was considering used until I saw this thread. I'm thinking Mossberg or Benelli! Any one want to meet me there and help me spend all my Washingtons?
I planned on going there today to get a shotgun of the tactical persuasion! I was considering used until I saw this thread. I'm thinking Mossberg or Benelli! Any one want to meet me there and help me spend all my Washingtons?
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
When I walk, I occasionally look down for tripping hazards. At that point it becomes a sort of Medusa situation--what has been seen cannot be unseen.
Many people seem to prefer pump style shotguns for in home defense. Myself, if I were to buy one for that dedicated pupose, would chose a semi-auto. Pumps are generally a little more reasonably priced though.
Tanner
Regular Member
Not going to lie. I just want to hear the sweet sweet sound of BOOM!....CHK...CHK.
there may be better reasons to choose a pump but there could be worse reasons.
there may be better reasons to choose a pump but there could be worse reasons.
When I walk, I occasionally look down for tripping hazards. At that point it becomes a sort of Medusa situation--what has been seen cannot be unseen.
Reflecting on that - quit dropping your pencil and maybe you won't go blind.
I like pumps too and like Mossberg but just so you know, if you pump a Mossberg upside down, which is necessary at times, it will not feed right.
An 870 is a better gun.
Tanner
Regular Member
I think I'm getting the Benelli supernova.
That's supposed to be CHK...CHK...BOOM!
As often as that lie about the sound of a pump-action shotgun being so horrible that it will cause BGs to run away while spoiling their drawers, I have never, ever run across anything that confirms it. I had the opportunity to talk with a few inmates ended up being shot by a pump shotgun fired from the other side of the wall/door/window and not one of them said they heard the shotgun's pump action being racked. Trial transcripts showed that the racking of the shotgun was clearly, plainly, and repeatedly mentioned - usually in regards to demonstrating the evil, viscious, brazen criminal behavior of the defendant.
I invite anybody who actually believes that the sound of a pump shotgun being racked will scare away a BG to come stand outside my door while I rack my 870 from across the room. (I'll even allow folks you appoint there with me to ensure that the shotgun is not loaded and all I am doing is racking the action.)
stay safe.
Tanner
Regular Member
I have yet to buy a gun under the premise that it is scarier than another gun. Aren't they all evil and scary? After all they kill almost as many people as hammers. And I'm terrified of hammers. After all the presents of a hammer usually mean there is manual labour yo be done. But I digest. What's the word on Benelli? And should I even bother with used? Looking to spend no more than 700 smackaroos.
You're right Skid!
That's why Biden said use a Double. You can sneak up on them.:uhoh:
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I cleared a stairway behind two closed doors to our apartment once with the sound of chambering the first round in a Remington 1100 - course I did yell out "Listen up, hear this!" before I released the bolt.
I'll tell the rest of the story over breakfast sometime.
I'll tell the rest of the story over breakfast sometime.
Red Dawg
Regular Member
Agree with the sound not being that loud. My 870s are cleaned and rem-oiled and are pretty quiet. I keep them real slick for shooting trap.
I vote on the 870s for an all around, good gun due to the ease of barrel changes, and the reasonable cost. You don't need a Wingmaster, an express will do the same job, just not as purdy..
I vote on the 870s for an all around, good gun due to the ease of barrel changes, and the reasonable cost. You don't need a Wingmaster, an express will do the same job, just not as purdy..
Red Dawg
Regular Member
Oh, no talking Long Guns. hehe...