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    Cool Pro-SA bill passes Senate with 2/3 majority!

    "To withhold 5 percent of Community Oriented Policing Services program Federal funding from States and local governments that release sensitive and confidential information on law-abiding gun owners and victims of domestic violence."

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00104

    Even if there is a veto, this would probably pass, as the House is at least as pro-RKBA as the Senate.

    I love that the only gun-related measure that has passed is pro-gun!
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    Only 5%? ALL OF IT
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    While I agree with the principle behind this, it is over reach by the Federal Government into State and local concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    While I agree with the principle behind this, it is over reach by the Federal Government into State and local concerns.
    Well yes, but as long as the politicians in the state capitals allow the feds to take money away and then dole it back with strings all over it, it's the system we' work with.
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    One of the ways the People and the States have ceded power to the federal government is by allowing them to control the biggest purse strings. Used to be that most of the taxing and spending was done at the local and State level, where the People had a lot more control. Now the feds are controlling most of the taxing and spending--and, as a consequence, behavior.

    One of the things we have to do to put the Pandora of the federal government back in its box is to cut off as much taxing and spending power as we can. We must end State welfare from the feds, not just corporate and individual welfare.

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    .. I will bet the root goes back to the good old commerce clause eh?
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    One of the ways the People and the States have ceded power to the federal government is by allowing them to control the biggest purse strings. Used to be that most of the taxing and spending was done at the local and State level, where the People had a lot more control. Now the feds are controlling most of the taxing and spending--and, as a consequence, behavior.

    One of the things we have to do to put the Pandora of the federal government back in its box is to cut off as much taxing and spending power as we can. We must end State welfare from the feds, not just corporate and individual welfare.
    well that's really the 2nd job of the federal government, if you live in the deep south or midwest, your state is a giant welfare recipient, the money made by rich people and businesses in the liberal states like California and New York is redistributed to poorer states via the US tax system.

    for people like me living in Washington where we contribute more then we recieve cutting off federal aid wouldn't be as much of an issue, it would ruin perhaps 30 of the 50 states though, they could never collect enough money from the people who live there.....

    while it's easy to go thoeritcal about the issue, the simple fact is, if we cut off all federal funding to states and most of the taxes and then said to the states "you're on your own" the worst big government congress we've ever seen would hit Washington from the next election cycle..... when people can no longer afford to be 10th amendment constitutionalists that's when real socialism will take place.

    look at the course of history, socialism was not a concept born of the wealthy or the evil big government, it was an idea born of the poor and working class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    .. I will bet the root goes back to the good old commerce clause eh?
    IMO not really. The feds are giving them money, I see no reason why the feds can't attach strings to the money that they give them. The bigger issue is, why is the fed collecting so much money to then give back to the states? The feds need to collect less money and let the states properly raise money for such things.

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    Pro-SA bill passes Senate with 2/3 majority!

    No. The issue is why are the feds taking my money and giving it to the States at all, extorting behaviors that deny my rights???

    It is State welfare and is just as evil as corporate or individual welfare.

    It is my money. Except to execute themselves (not contract to the States) the 18 specific duties assigned them, the feds should leave my money the hell out of their nefarious plans!

    The States need to resieze their sovereignty over the feds and we need to reassert our sovereignty over the States.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    SNIP The States need to resieze their sovereignty over the feds and we need to reassert our sovereignty over the States. END SNIP

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    Didn't a few of them try exactly that back in the 1860's?
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    Pro-SA bill passes Senate with 2/3 majority!

    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    Didn't a few of them try exactly that back in the 1860's?
    Well, secession is not the only way.

    And, secession could have been done more wisely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    well that's really the 2nd job of the federal government, if you live in the deep south or midwest, your state is a giant welfare recipient, the money made by rich people and businesses in the liberal states like California and New York is redistributed to poorer states via the US tax system.

    for people like me living in Washington where we contribute more then we recieve cutting off federal aid wouldn't be as much of an issue, it would ruin perhaps 30 of the 50 states though, they could never collect enough money from the people who live there.....

    while it's easy to go thoeritcal about the issue, the simple fact is, if we cut off all federal funding to states and most of the taxes and then said to the states "you're on your own" the worst big government congress we've ever seen would hit Washington from the next election cycle..... when people can no longer afford to be 10th amendment constitutionalists that's when real socialism will take place.

    look at the course of history, socialism was not a concept born of the wealthy or the evil big government, it was an idea born of the poor and working class.
    So you think it's the job of the Federal Government to "spread the wealth around?"

    I think I heard someone say when you do that it's good for everybody.
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