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    Federal Way Shootout, 5 dead including shooter

    Last night in Federal Way it appears officers responded to calls of gunfire at a Fed Way Apartment complex, they got in a gun battle with a suspect, killing him.

    8 officers are on paid administrative leave, 5 total confirmed dead.

    "We're gonna continue to go door to door in hopes that we can find some additional witnesses, and hopefully we won't be finding any more victims." Schrock said.
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    Eight Federal Way Police officers are on paid administrative leave, which is standard procedure after an officer-involved shooting.
    Federal Way is about 20 miles south of Seattle.
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    I saw that all over local and national news networks this morning. The gun grabbers are already wanting to dance in their blood to further their agenda.

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    Is there any speculation on the cause? Gang related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    Is there any speculation on the cause? Gang related?
    Multiple dead with no political angle--obviously it was terrorism.

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    Three dead in Bahhston is a "massacre". Five dead in Seattle/Federal Way is BAU.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Last night in Federal Way it appears officers responded to calls of gunfire at a Fed Way Apartment complex, they got in a gun battle with a suspect, killing him.

    8 officers are on paid administrative leave, 5 total confirmed dead.
    No '"gun battle with a suspect" was claimed.
    They did claim that the bad guy "reached for his gun", Sooo they shot him, dead.
    They,,, the news, have never said that a gun was found?????
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    "Arriving police saw two men on the ground in the parking lot. One of the men reached for a gun and eight officers fired at him. He was killed." http://www.kxly.com/news/northwest/5...s/-/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    No '"gun battle with a suspect" was claimed.
    They did claim that the bad guy "reached for his gun", Sooo they shot him, dead.
    They,,, the news, have never said that a gun was found?????
    well that's what the article claimed when I first found it, it seems to have been updated since I posted the thread.
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    I lived in Federal Way for 6 months. There was a shot fired behind my apartment and one person was hit in the leg. I'm not surprised by this in the least and wish I was armed when I lived there in the late 90's.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    No '"gun battle with a suspect" was claimed.
    They did claim that the bad guy "reached for his gun", Sooo they shot him, dead.
    They,,, the news, have never said that a gun was found?????
    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    well that's what the article claimed when I first found it, it seems to have been updated since I posted the thread.
    Why do you quote me, but not address the point of my post?

    I wish you and other readers to take note that the news folks
    did NOT report that a gun was "actually" found!!!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    I wish you and other readers to take note that the news folks
    did NOT report that a gun was "actually" found!!!
    And? Since when is the news media accurate on anything, especially reporting on gun-related news?

    KOMO article has more detail (if you will) than KING:
    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/P...204146351.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    And? Since when is the news media accurate on anything, especially reporting on gun-related news?

    KOMO article has more detail (if you will) than KING:
    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/P...204146351.html
    Wilson said the gunman also used a shotgun to blast open the door and murder a 61-year-old man inside a neighboring apartment after the man who lived there yelled for someone to call 911 to report the initial gunshots.
    damn, what's Joe Biden going to say about that?
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    Well,,,

    Sooo OK, he had "previous domestic violance convictions",,, but was still "allowed to carry concealed weapons"????
    But the law didnt stop him from killing ,,, people...
    But I still ask, where are the reports of the gun that should have been found and reported,
    And now A SHOTGUN that should have been found?
    These TWO guns should have been found, AND, they should have been reported by the ,,,NEWS!!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Sooo OK, he had "previous domestic violance convictions",,, but was still "allowed to carry concealed weapons"????
    But the law didnt stop him from killing ,,, people...
    But I still ask, where are the reports of the gun that should have been found and reported,
    And now A SHOTGUN that should have been found?
    These TWO guns should have been found, AND, they should have been reported by the ,,,NEWS!!
    the news says

    The man had a history of domestic violence incidents in Seattle and Federal Way
    doesn't say he was convicted. only that there were "incidents." Sounds to me like the police have contacted this guy several times before and never were able to make charges stick....

    i want to wait until we see exactly who this guy is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Sooo OK, he had "previous domestic violance convictions",,, but was still "allowed to carry concealed weapons"????
    But the law didnt stop him from killing ,,, people...
    But I still ask, where are the reports of the gun that should have been found and reported,
    And now A SHOTGUN that should have been found?
    These TWO guns should have been found, AND, they should have been reported by the ,,,NEWS!!
    From the KOMO article:
    The man had a history of domestic disputes in Seattle and Federal Way, but they did not result in criminal charges

    No convictions
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Sooo OK, he had "previous domestic violance convictions",,, but was still "allowed to carry concealed weapons"????
    But the law didnt stop him from killing ,,, people...
    But I still ask, where are the reports of the gun that should have been found and reported,
    And now A SHOTGUN that should have been found?
    These TWO guns should have been found, AND, they should have been reported by the ,,,NEWS!!

    Having a rough day Defnder? Really it is of little consequence that a gun was reported being found or not!
    No one said in the story about mode of carry (open or concealed) but he clerly had a pistol and a shotgun and used them to kill other humans...
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    Well,,,

    Meh....

    Sooo no convictions,
    Got me their, Wow!

    He seems to be an OK kind of dude.

    Maybe I miss speeked, I really dont even really think,,, In my brain, or in my mind.


    Watsa point?
    Who,,, will report: that "a/the" gun has been found at the scene!????
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Meh....

    Sooo no convictions,
    Got me their, Wow!

    He seems to be an OK kind of dude.

    Maybe I miss speeked, I really dont even really think,,, In my brain, or in my mind.


    Watsa point?
    Who,,, will report: that "a/the" gun has been found at the scene!????
    Do you mean to whom it will be reported to? To the Detectives, Prosecutors, Defense Attorney, Judge and/or Jury and if you call and give them your phone number and asked really nicely, nah just kidding.
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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Having a rough day Defnder? Really it is of little consequence that a gun was reported being found or not!
    No one said in the story about mode of carry (open or concealed) but he clerly had a pistol and a shotgun and used them to kill other humans...
    Thanks for calling me out by name!

    Should WE care if a gun is found at a shooting?
    Do we expect an acurate accounting of the evidence that is found, should it be complete?



    Sorry for the delay.... I think I Must have fell asleep... It was realnice....
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    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Thanks for calling me out by name!
    Should WE care if a gun is found at a shooting?
    Do we expect an acurate accounting of the evidence that is found, should it be complete?
    Sorry for the delay.... I think I Must have fell asleep... It was realnice....
    Calling you out??? I was responding to your post, nothing more nothing less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post

    ...Should WE care if a gun is found at a shooting?
    ...
    Yes, as it lends some credibility to the response by police.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post

    ...Do we expect an acurate accounting of the evidence that is found,...
    Not from the media
    Last edited by ak56; 04-22-2013 at 06:37 PM. Reason: fixed editing error
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