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    Pederson supporting action to take an intiative to the voters on gun control

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    I agree with Pederson...IF they manage to get one on the ballot, it will send a strong message...may not be the message Pederson thinks will be sent, but it will be a message. (along with (hopefully) making him unemployed at the same time.)

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    I hope they copy and paste HB1588 into initiative form and try to vote on that, it should be easy to defeat it when you explain to people it's a backdoor ban on private sales since the two ways to get a BG listed in it are functionally impossible or at least highly unlikely to occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    I hope they copy and paste HB1588 into initiative form and try to vote on that, it should be easy to defeat it when you explain to people it's a backdoor ban on private sales since the two ways to get a BG listed in it are functionally impossible or at least highly unlikely to occur.
    I don't think that they want to get mired down in details....but you're right, here's an example

    This is something forwarded to me about the bills at the national level....

    The "most popular" parts of the proposed Senate gun control bill (background checks) may sound like a "reasonable" idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences.

    Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes.

    Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the federal bill that ultimately failed:

    EXAMPLE #1
    Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.

    1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
    2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
    3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line.

    He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.

    EXAMPLE #2

    It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee.

    Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.

    Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON.

    In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violations.

    EXAMPLE #3

    Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer.

    EXAMPLE #4

    Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again.

    Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.

    Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property.

    See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
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    If an initiative comes to Washington, something like this needs to happen:

    http://whosigned.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    If an initiative comes to Washington, something like this needs to happen:

    http://whosigned.org/
    to what end? how would anything like this (post signature) affect anything save, validation of signatures?
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    I did an Examiner piece on this and noted in the 2nd paragraph that there is an alternate initiative also in the works, starting on another local gun forum in Washington.

    Anti-gunners will launch gun control initiative campaign
    http://www.examiner.com/article/anti...id=db_articles


    Now there seems to be a bit of confusion, and we won't know for sure until after the Monday press conference....this may be an initiative to the legislature to do something in 2014. If it passes, then it will be up to us to make the final statute say what we want it to say.

    If it is just an initiative to the people like 676...then we have a real fight on our hands..

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    to what end? how would anything like this (post signature) affect anything save, validation of signatures?


    Signers of the initiative can be exposed as opposed to the basic human right of self defense. This exposition can be leveraged against them, either to attempt to change their view and vote, or to ridicule them, if it comes to that.

    That's what the gays did.

    It can also be used in retaliation. The gays were more than happy to expose people for ridicule and scorn - I say we should to. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Signers of the initiative can be exposed as opposed to the basic human right of self defense. This exposition can be leveraged against them, either to attempt to change their view and vote, or to ridicule them, if it comes to that.

    That's what the gays did.

    It can also be used in retaliation. The gays were more than happy to expose people for ridicule and scorn - I say we should to. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.[/COLOR]
    Didn't the homosexuals lose in their marriage proposal?

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    Didn't the homosexuals lose in their marriage proposal?


    That's not the point. Exposing people as being anti-rights is a shrewd political tactic. One that we might use. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the money or programming skill to start such a web page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Didn't the homosexuals lose in their marriage proposal?
    No. The right to marry who you want and keep the government from excluding people became law of the state.
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    The same sex marriage issue from my understanding would be Constitutional either allowed or denied as it is not covered by the Constitution and there for goes to the State or the people to create law. I think we will be seeing soon in June 2013 from SCOTUS that California Law prohibiting same sex marriage will be affirmed.

    How an initiative will fair concerning The Right To Keep and Bear Arms I think would require a Constitutional Amendment both in the State and Federal Government depending upon the wording though a harder road traveled.
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    I'll be writing about this at Examiner and in The Gun Mag, and I think we ought to fire up the old WeCARE organization to start raising campaign money to fight these jerks,.
    I'll be talking to Joe Waldron about this later in the week at the NRA gathering in Houston.
    Anybody else going down for that?


    ‘Our rights are not for sale’ say fired-up gun owners

    Promises of a big bucks politicalcampaign to force Washington lawmakers to adopt a “universal background check”law, with threats of an initiative if they don’t, have fired up Evergreen Stategun owners since Monday’s press conference by several Seattle religiousactivists.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/our-rights-are-not-for-sale-say-fired-up-gun-owners?cid=db_articles

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    No. The right to marry who you want and keep the government from excluding people became law of the state.
    no, the right to marry someone of the same sex became law, you still can't marry a first cousin in WA, still can't marry a sibling, or multiple people....

    the government still actively excludes people.... just made it acceptable for the "right" group of people....
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Eight posts later...

    Wow,

    That didn't take long...we've gone from an extended session, the Gov's call to revisit taxes and gun controls to a debate on Gay marrige.....

    You guys are so cool!
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