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    OT question about AOWs,SBRs and SBSs?

    I know that Tax stamps are required for getting short barreled shotguns and such and Im interested in maybe getting one if I can come up with the money so how do I go about getting the tax stamp and everything that is needed to get one?

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    Did you guys get those legalized again? Washington recently legalized the use of suppressors, but last I heard you still couldn't have SBRs/SBSs, though bills were proposed to get that reversed again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Did you guys get those legalized again? Washington recently legalized the use of suppressors, but last I heard you still couldn't have SBRs/SBSs, though bills were proposed to get that reversed again.
    Ahhh I had no clue that we couldn't have them here I was just looking into them and took an interest in maybe getting one but now I have a feeling that may not happen maybe someone else from Wa will come along and clarify

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    OT question about AOWs,SBRs and SBSs?

    State law prohibits possession of fully auto, SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs.

    9.41.220 Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.
    All machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles, or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, illegally held or illegally possessed are hereby declared to be contraband, and it shall be the duty of all peace officers, and/or any officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington, to seize said machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or parts thereof, wherever and whenever found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    State law prohibits possession of fully auto, SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs.

    9.41.220 Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.
    All.................or short-barreled rifle, illegally held or illegally possessed are hereby declared to be contraband, ....................
    Does this part mean I can have one "legally" with a transfer stamp??

    Or you can do what I did. I build AR platform pistols.
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    OT question about AOWs,SBRs and SBSs?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Does this part mean I can have one "legally" with a transfer stamp??

    Or you can do what I did. I build AR platform pistols.
    Good question.
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    Not so fast....

    You're all looking at the wrong statute, 9.41.220 only states that illegal machine guns SBRs yada yada yada are contraband.

    the preceeding statute, 9.41.190 makes them illegal

    RCW 9.41.190
    Unlawful firearms Exceptions.

    (1) It is unlawful for any person to manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or to assemble or repair any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle.

    (2) This section shall not apply to:

    (a) Any peace officer in the discharge of official duty or traveling to or from official duty, or to any officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington in the discharge of official duty or traveling to or from official duty; or

    (b) A person, including an employee of such person if the employee has undergone fingerprinting and a background check, who or which is exempt from or licensed under federal law, and engaged in the production, manufacture, repair, or testing of machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles:

    (i) To be used or purchased by the armed forces of the United States;

    (ii) To be used or purchased by federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agencies; or

    (iii) For exportation in compliance with all applicable federal laws and regulations.

    (3) It shall be an affirmative defense to a prosecution brought under this section that the machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle was acquired prior to July 1, 1994, and is possessed in compliance with federal law.

    (4) Any person violating this section is guilty of a class C felony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    State law prohibits possession of fully auto, SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs.

    Wrong, AOW's are permitted in WA.
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    To the best of my knowledge (DD) Destructive Devices are legal here also.
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    Wouldn't a "short-barreled" rifle be a handgun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Wouldn't a "short-barreled" rifle be a handgun?
    No.

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    Wasn't there an SBR bill in the legislature this past session? What happened to it?

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    A short barreled rifle has a shoulder stock and a shorter than 16 in barrel. A pistol has no shoulder stock and is meant to be fired with one hand(hence no front pistol grip) altho you can use magpuls angled foregrip as ATF does not consider it a "pistol grip". The AR pistol still has a buffer tube, but ATF does not consider that a stock. You CAN put a "cheek rest" on the B tube(ATF letter available)and use it that way. I have a letter in to ATF requesting "permission" to use a foam pool noodle on the buffer tube to protect it.
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    Suppressors, AOWs, and Destructive Devices are legal in WA.

    SBRs, SBSs, and MGs are sadly not.

    Hopefully that will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leitung View Post
    Suppressors, AOWs, and Destructive Devices are legal in WA.

    SBRs, SBSs, and MGs are sadly not.

    Hopefully that will change.
    Just get an AR pistol.


    And the SB15...



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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    And the SB15...
    Techno, is that attachment legal? It looks like a shoulder stock and could render the pistol an SBR. Is there an ATF letter approving it? I like the concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Techno, is that attachment legal? It looks like a shoulder stock and could render the pistol an SBR. Is there an ATF letter approving it? I like the concept.
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    Thanks mate. I added this to my ATF file.
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