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    Post Carrying Concealed in Places Not Posted.

    This is my first post so if it's in the wrong section, I'm sorry.
    I am curious about the places (i.e. a mall) that don't have any signs stating "NO FIREARMS" posted on the doors or entrances. But it turns out that the mall actually doesn't allow firearms. If I were to carry my handgun concealed on my hip and while I was shopping police come and tell me the mall doesn't allow firearms on the premises, Could I get in trouble??

    Now keep in mind the store never had signs stating "No Firearms".
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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by okayrespond View Post
    This is my first post so if it's in the wrong section, I'm sorry.
    I am curious about the places (i.e. a mall) that don't have any signs stating "NO FIREARMS" posted on the doors or entrances. But it turns out that the mall actually doesn't allow firearms. If I were to carry my handgun concealed on my hip and while I was shopping police come and tell me the mall doesn't allow firearms on the premises, Could I get in trouble??

    Now keep in mind the store never had signs stating "No Firearms".
    Is this a joke question?
    This is an Open Carry board.
    If you carry Concealled,,, who would know you have a gun?
    Do you have a CPL?
    Even if there were "No Guns" signs,they could only demand that you leave!
    If you Do Not leave, then you can be charged with tresspassing...
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    In Washington state, signs have no weight of law in and of themselves (note, there are places off limits to most citizens firearms as spelled out in RCW 9.41.300, most of these locations MAY be signed, this sign technically has force of law in that it's a reminder of the law)

    most private business may place a sign to tell you not to carry, this can vary from a list of rules to a specific gunbuster sign. again, these have no force of law, if you carry anyway, chances are you'll be asked to leave, and if you refuse the property owner can arrest you for trespass and/or call the police who may either arrest you or cite you for trespass.

    if you are carrying concealed and someone (such as the store owner, manager, security guard) notices your gun and calls the cops, chances are if cops do actually come you'll probably just be asked to leave.

    please note, if ANY employee of a business tells you to leave, do not argue with them about that employees authority. LEAVE IMMEDIATELY and contact the business management. while most hourly employees (except for security guards) in most service and hospitality outfits don't have the authority by their employer under employment guidelines to ask you to leave, if they're really stupid and call the police and no manager is there to call them off the cops will simply assume that employee does have authority....

    finally, I don't give money to businesses that don't support the 2nd amendment and Art 1 Sec 24
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Thank you EMNofseattle it was very helpful.

    and 1245 A Defender, way to be a ******.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Is this a joke question?
    This is an Open Carry board.............
    OK, let me be the first to say Welcome to the Forum. The question you asked has been asked over and over again by people who miss the "search" thingie on the top of the page. Redundancy fosters irritation so get your flame retardant suit on and ask away. But try the "search" first.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Wowwie!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by okayrespond View Post
    Thank you EMNofseattle it was very helpful.

    and 1245 A Defender, way to be a ******.
    Im not really a ******, whatever that is.
    I did answer ALL of the questions you posed.

    BTW,,, I would bet, that somewhere in EVERY mall EVERYWHERE, you will be able to find
    SOMEWHERE, a sign or list or rules of conduct, that will say in some form or another,
    In FINE print,,, that guns are Not allowed in this mall!!!
    ( I have to take this back,,, Great Lakes Crossing is a mall in Michigan.
    A famous Ex poster from this forum, used to OC there so he could pretend
    to not notice the people that noticed that he was Open Carring a gun.)


    But folks carry in malls all the time, half the time they are asked to leave,
    half the time nothing happens.

    If you want to play here, you need to grow some thicker skin.
    Ask Big Gay Al what I wrote to a noobe on the 3rd.
    I dont remember what it was, But
    it was deleted!

    Oh and by the way,,, Welcome to OCDO!
    Study,,, a lot!!
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    Go to a meet and greet in your area,,, wherever that might be,, where is your area?
    Learn to put up with grumpy old men.
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    But try the "search" first.


    The Search function of these UBB- and vBulletin-style message is boards is known to be horrible, so you can't blame him for that.

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    Welcome to the forum

    Welcome to the forum. Its always good to have some new people ask questions that's what were here for. And the grumpy old men are really just teddy bears once you get to know them. If you ever find your self in port Orchard on the 3rd sat of the month we have A coffee and lunch meet at noon here https://plus.google.com/110087323951...ut?gl=us&hl=en come on down
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Oh and by the way,,, Welcome to OCDO!
    Study,,, a lot!!
    Ask questions!
    Go to a meet and greet in your area,,, wherever that might be,, where is your area?
    Learn to put up with grumpy old men.
    Ya my bad, didn't mean to get hostile! My area is Everett. Sounds fun maybe i will one of these days. Thanks

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    There are a few on here that can be called grumpy, including myself. But if the truth be known, we just speak our mind and let the chips fall where they may. There are also some on here that the only thing they post is where they have been each and every day, as if they have to account for their activities. On occasion they give a bit of relevant information. You will soon recognize the various ones.
    Welcome and OC every day.

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    line 20 of the FAQ (Washington State Frequently Asked Questions About Open Carry)
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...en-Carry/page5

    20) Do “No Firearm” signs hold the weight of law in Washington State?
    No Firearm signs have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in RCW 9.41.300 as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry. If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged. Even if the property is not posted and you are asked to leave you must leave. Always be aware of the possibility that responding Police Officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the laws on trespass and could arrest you even if you are within the law.




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