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    March on Washington 07-04-2013

    https://m.facebook.com/events/252728...00003075314056

    "On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.

    You are welcome to attend unarmed as a supporter, or armed with a recording device.

    If this page gets to 10,000 attendees by June 1st, & we have the critical mass necessary to pull this off, (1,000 actual attendees) we will march. Please spread the word, share this event, & invite all your friends."
    I have apprehensions about all this. I can see the group getting tagged "domestic terrorists" and swift, aggreessive measures taken to protect the 'merican way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
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    I have apprehensions about all this. I can see the group getting tagged "domestic terrorists" and swift, aggreessive measures taken to protect the 'merican way.
    So, it this happens and violent response from the government comes forth, that would be an open act of war against the citizens.
    I believe it would spark a much bigger flame if they march at all. It would cause a brush fire if the if government attacks at all.
    I also believe that it would spark copy cat events if they pull it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    I have apprehensions about all this. I can see the group getting tagged "domestic terrorists" and swift, aggressive measures taken to protect the 'merican way.
    I can't blame you for being apprehensive about this plan. My personal belief is that the current administration is doing all that it can (without being completely obvious), to test the limits of what the American people will put up with. Obama seems to be looking for an excuse to implement martial law, and then begin his plan of confiscation of tools of resistance. His "litmus test" for military command positions has been simplified to, "Would you order your troops to fire upon American civilians?" Anything other than an answer in the affirmative results in the officer being passed over for command. An activity of the sort proposed on this Facebook site may be all the provocation Obama needs to "cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war." Just my 2¢ worth. Pax...
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    Radio Host to Lead Armed March on DC

    This should be interesting. Although somewhat off topic as they plan to march with rifles slung on their backs. Hmmmm. Not helping any cause here I don't think with actions like this.


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    Honestly I don't know what I think about this. Forcing the issue like this (with what will probably be only a hundred or two participants) means that it can be brushed off nationally as done by crack-pots. Now, if there were tens of thousands of armed citizens marching into DC... well, that'd be a bit of a different story.

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    Im all for long gun open carry... but this is suicide.
    This has no tact.
    Avoid at all costs.
    Just saying.

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    Well,,,

    I have read about this plan in two threads now.
    I think it is, indeed a bad idea, But
    it is the start of a good idea.

    If he gets 10 guys to march into DC, one cop will arrest them.
    If he gets 100 guys to march, then two cops will arrest them.
    If he get a 1000 guys to march, then 20 cops will arrest them.
    But if he gets 10,000 guys to carry loaded rifles and march into DC,
    All HeII will rain down on them!
    Dogs, firehoses, rubber bullets, night sticks, swat squads, and that is IF they dont resist!!!
    IF they resist,,, here will be bood running in the streets.
    Just my humble opinion...

    I would suggest a change of plan...
    Get the 10,000 men carrying loaded rifles,
    Assemble them at all the main enterances to the holy enclave of DC...
    that is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    I have read about this plan in two threads now.
    I think it is, indeed a bad idea, But
    it is the start of a good idea.

    If he gets 10 guys to march into DC, one cop will arrest them.
    If he gets 100 guys to march, then two cops will arrest them.
    If he get a 1000 guys to march, then 20 cops will arrest them.
    But if he gets 10,000 guys to carry loaded rifles and march into DC,
    All HeII will rain down on them!
    Dogs, firehoses, rubber bullets, night sticks, swat squads, and that is IF they dont resist!!!
    IF they resist,,, here will be bood running in the streets.
    Just my humble opinion...

    I would suggest a change of plan...
    Get the 10,000 men carrying loaded rifles,
    Assemble them at all the main enterances to the holy enclave of DC...
    that is all.

    Will you be one of the 10k?

    I will not, I'm not ready to die.

    OMG, these people put their names on a list. I wonder how many search warrants will be executed shortly.

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    ETA, P.S. Whatever. I'm excited for this, just not ready to lead the way.

    I see that they are notifying the capitol police ahead of time and expect a line to be drawn.
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    Not a conspiracy theorist but, how do we know the government didn't begin the planning of this so called march by one of their own and all that will happen is a shot fired from the marching crowd onto the police officers and then we will, for sure, get that gun control they have been wanting so bad.

    Even if the government wasn't behind the planning, how easy would it be to "join" the march and fire a round then...

    BUT!, I am not a conspiracy theorist ... just saying, it could happen and they will use it against 2A to move forward with that agenda...

    IMO, the negative outcome, over weighs any benifit this will bring (if any).
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    Using Arlington National Cemetery as a staging ground does not seem like a solid plan either. As per this thread http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...and-Cemeteries it is unclear whether or not carry of any kind is legal in national cemeteries run by the Department of the Army, which includes Arlington. Proximity to an active military base leads me to assume that carry in ANC would not be okay. Therefore, potential march participants would likely just be arrested one-by-one as they arrived.

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    I had a long exposition on the notion of this march all ready to be written. All I needed to finish it was to check the spelling of Mike Vanderboerg's name (which I still probably have misspelled) in order to reference his attempt at a gathering along the Virginia shore of the Potomac a few years ago. I decided to skip that when I saw his take on this event at http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp...med-march.html

    Now the Dutchman, as he likes to be called, is about as rabid an individual as you ever want to meet when the subject is politics, rights, and especially the Second Amendment. When he calls the proposer of this event a nut-case you can be fairly well assured that he is talking major Looney Tunes material.

    'Nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numenor View Post
    Honestly I don't know what I think about this. Forcing the issue like this (with what will probably be only a hundred or two participants) means that it can be brushed off nationally as done by crack-pots. Now, if there were tens of thousands of armed citizens marching into DC... well, that'd be a bit of a different story.
    The event is only a "go" with 10,000 commitments. The last time I checked, there were less than a thousand.

    Adam Kokesh has put his ass on the line multiple times, but he's not an idiot. He knows this only works with massive numbers, and is foolish with anything less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    The event is only a "go" with 10,000 commitments. The last time I checked, there were less than a thousand.

    Adam Kokesh has put his ass on the line multiple times, but he's not an idiot. He knows this only works with massive numbers, and is foolish with anything less.
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    I'm also skeptical of this event but am very interested.

    My question remains for those who think this is certainly a bad idea without question:

    Is this only a bad idea because it is "illegal" and thus an infringement upon your rights? Or is this a bad idea because it introduces the opportunity to be violently resisted?

    Because I hear the terms "liberty or death" and "from my cold dead hands" and other forms of bravado carelessly thrown around often. Is it that you are unwilling to break the "law" and/or face some sort of violent punishment? Or that you just prefer not to right now?

    I understand and prefer the incremental approach. But I also understand that we often legitimize all of these "laws" (infringement on our RIGHTS) by endlessly obeying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richarcm View Post
    My question remains for those who think this is certainly a bad idea without question:
    I only think its a bad idea if it can't work.
    I agree 100% with what KB said above.

    I doubt this will happen.

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    I don't think this is so much intrinsically a bad idea as it is bad timing/context. If the last round in Congress had gone 100% to the gun grabbers and bans were to be put in place, I would actually be up for this. It would be time, in that context, to do something more than write a 'sternly-worded letter', but that's not where we are right now. We "won" in Congress, and this is not how to move the ball forward. Indeed, this sort of action now might break the political coalition that prevented the bad legislation in the first place, snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. We should be using the vaguely pro-rights political block that exists right now to start moving legislation, not making grandstanding overtures that don't even have anything but an abstract point.

    This is not the right time or the right way to do things. If there were a credible threat, real laws about to be enforced that would criminalize a portion of gun owners or something to that effect, I would stand and be counted in an effort like this. But there is no exigent need for this, and anybody who puts their neck out for this isn't just risking themselves, they're risking all the current efforts toward meaningful change that have been in progress. And there are real efforts, Constitutional carry is spreading, and that in many ways is truly meaningful restoration of the Constitution as intended.

    I do wonder as some already have if Kokesh isn't being played by somebody in the administration. This just has a feel so foolish as to be false flag. And there is no deeper purpose than to put on a show, no distinct or specific goal, no legislation on the table, just 'look at us! Booga booga!' Not being involved isn't cowardice, it's prudence and wisdom.

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    Loaded long guns........civil disobedience..........people being funneled across a bridge................police in armor waiting on the other side.........a shot rings out...............




    One person, that is all it will take. One person to discharge a weapon, LEO or Citizen, it will not matter.
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    Re: Radio Host to Lead Armed March on DC

    Quote Originally Posted by VApatriot View Post
    Using Arlington National Cemetery as a staging ground does not seem like a solid plan either. As per this thread http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...and-Cemeteries it is unclear whether or not carry of any kind is legal in national cemeteries run by the Department of the Army, which includes Arlington. Proximity to an active military base leads me to assume that carry in ANC would not be okay. Therefore, potential march participants would likely just be arrested one-by-one as they arrived.
    I can ask my supervisor if it's considered VA/or strictly Army only. If the VA has anything to do with it, my safe educated answer is No, you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Loaded long guns........civil disobedience..........people being funneled across a bridge................police in armor waiting on the other side.........a shot rings out...............




    One person, that is all it will take. One person to discharge a weapon, LEO or Citizen, it will not matter.
    As it does during Lobby Day or any other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I only think its a bad idea if it can't work.
    I agree 100% with what KB said above.

    I doubt this will happen.
    How do you determine what CAN work? Anything may or may not work. Many pro gun activists still believe that open carry in general can not and does not help the cause.

    If we knew what WILL work we'd all be doing it.

    It seems the primary course of action is wait for legislation to be written and defend ourselves from it. Then mark that up as a victory. Or voting in more backstabbing Republicans at the voters booth begging them to give us more rights.

    It's an interesting position that we find ourselves in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectricTurtle View Post
    I don't think this is so much intrinsically a bad idea as it is bad timing/context. If the last round in Congress had gone 100% to the gun grabbers and bans were to be put in place, I would actually be up for this. It would be time, in that context, to do something more than write a 'sternly-worded letter', but that's not where we are right now. We "won" in Congress, and this is not how to move the ball forward. Indeed, this sort of action now might break the political coalition that prevented the bad legislation in the first place, snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. We should be using the vaguely pro-rights political block that exists right now to start moving legislation, not making grandstanding overtures that don't even have anything but an abstract point.

    This is not the right time or the right way to do things. If there were a credible threat, real laws about to be enforced that would criminalize a portion of gun owners or something to that effect, I would stand and be counted in an effort like this. But there is no exigent need for this, and anybody who puts their neck out for this isn't just risking themselves, they're risking all the current efforts toward meaningful change that have been in progress. And there are real efforts, Constitutional carry is spreading, and that in many ways is truly meaningful restoration of the Constitution as intended.

    I do wonder as some already have if Kokesh isn't being played by somebody in the administration. This just has a feel so foolish as to be false flag. And there is no deeper purpose than to put on a show, no distinct or specific goal, no legislation on the table, just 'look at us! Booga booga!' Not being involved isn't cowardice, it's prudence and wisdom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Loaded long guns........civil disobedience..........people being funneled across a bridge................police in armor waiting on the other side.........a shot rings out...............

    One person, that is all it will take. One person to discharge a weapon, LEO or Citizen, it will not matter.
    The issue I see here is that on April 19, 1775, the Lexington Militia were standing ON THEIR LAND when the aggressors marched in on them. This event sets up a situation where the forces of .gov will be perceived as the "passive" defenders of the status quo and the men seeking to right the wrongs being committed against them are going to be seen as the aggressors.

    For the low information exposed, media fed, farm stock, this will look like a revolution in progress, perhaps even a revolution against them and their chosen way of life. Nothing good will come of this. If .gov wants a war, let them start it. Given time, they will.



    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Now the Dutchman, as he likes to be called, is about as rabid an individual as you ever want to meet when the subject is politics, rights, and especially the Second Amendment. When he calls the proposer of this event a nut-case you can be fairly well assured that he is talking major Looney Tunes material.
    Vanderboegh. He's not rabid, he's serious. There is a difference.

    I agree with him and other posters here that it would only take ONE provocateur in that group of 1,000 armed men to start a bloodbath. And Adam Kokesh is somehow gonna vet all these folks and place them under correct authority? Never gonna happen. It'll be a herd of armed and possibly well intentioned cats without clear leadership or any form of internal discipline. In the army this was described as a cluster f**k. People will die.

    So blood is shed. And who would benefit from that? Only those who control what the public see and hear about the events of that day of course...

    And the dawn of the next day will bring us what? A new America? Surely. What kind of America? That will come down to determined and skilled minorities and the will to live Free. Either way, some of us will be ready to stand to defend our Rights and our communities.

    We're getting beyond the scope of OC as a means to protect an already regulated and limited Right. We are heading into dark days where, if not restrained correctly, the forces of violence will destroy what little remains of the Founder's Republic. The forces are gathering and lines are being drawn.

    I think there is a good chance this event will happen. 1,000 men is only 20 from each state. If in these divisive days, an impassioned speaker such as Adam cannot gather that number of men I will be shocked. And then all that remains is the test of wills.

    "Colonial rebellions throughout the modern world have been acts of shared political imagination. Unless unhappy people develop the capacity to trust other unhappy people, protest remains a local affair easily silenced by traditional authority. Usually, however, a moment arrives when large numbers of men and women realize for the first time that they enjoy the support of strangers, ordinary people much like themselves who happen to live in distant places and whom under normal circumstances they would never meet. It is an intoxicating discovery. A common language of resistance suddenly opens to those who are most vulnerable to painful retribution the possibility of creating a new community. As the conviction of solidarity grows, parochial issues and aspirations merge imperceptibly with a compelling national agenda which only a short time before may have been the dream of only a few. For many Americans colonists this moment occurred late in the spring of 1774." -- T.H. Breen, The Marketplace of Revolution

    Will there be a repeat of this phenomenon here in the next year or two? People are talking. A poll released last week discussed something like 28% of the polled thought that there would be a need for a revolution in the next few years. Breen, in another book, discusses the concept that there came a point when the colonists decided, individually first, then collectively, that violence was an acceptable method of creating the change they sought. This wasn't a top down process, it was a result of people becoming exposed to the sufferings of their neighbors in other colonies and their own personal discomfort. In short, the Parliament pushed them too far. There are clear comparisons that can be drawn from the years leading up to 1774 and the actions of our servants in DC today. They push us unrelentingly. They despise us and mock us. They waste our life energy and they plan on continuing with our children. Will we take this forever? Should we?

    I guess that's the real question with all of this. Should we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    The issue I see here is that on April 19, 1775, the Lexington Militia were standing ON THEIR LAND when the aggressors marched in on them. This event sets up a situation where the forces of .gov will be perceived as the "passive" defenders of the status quo and the men seeking to right the wrongs being committed against them are going to be seen as the aggressors.

    For the low information exposed, media fed, farm stock, this will look like a revolution in progress, perhaps even a revolution against them and their chosen way of life. Nothing good will come of this. If .gov wants a war, let them start it. Given time, they will.





    Vanderboegh. He's not rabid, he's serious. There is a difference.

    I agree with him and other posters here that it would only take ONE provocateur in that group of 1,000 armed men to start a bloodbath. And Adam Kokesh is somehow gonna vet all these folks and place them under correct authority? Never gonna happen. It'll be a herd of armed and possibly well intentioned cats without clear leadership or any form of internal discipline. In the army this was described as a cluster f**k. People will die.

    So blood is shed. And who would benefit from that? Only those who control what the public see and hear about the events of that day of course...

    And the dawn of the next day will bring us what? A new America? Surely. What kind of America? That will come down to determined and skilled minorities and the will to live Free. Either way, some of us will be ready to stand to defend our Rights and our communities.

    We're getting beyond the scope of OC as a means to protect an already regulated and limited Right. We are heading into dark days where, if not restrained correctly, the forces of violence will destroy what little remains of the Founder's Republic. The forces are gathering and lines are being drawn.

    I think there is a good chance this event will happen. 1,000 men is only 20 from each state. If in these divisive days, an impassioned speaker such as Adam cannot gather that number of men I will be shocked. And then all that remains is the test of wills.

    "Colonial rebellions throughout the modern world have been acts of shared political imagination. Unless unhappy people develop the capacity to trust other unhappy people, protest remains a local affair easily silenced by traditional authority. Usually, however, a moment arrives when large numbers of men and women realize for the first time that they enjoy the support of strangers, ordinary people much like themselves who happen to live in distant places and whom under normal circumstances they would never meet. It is an intoxicating discovery. A common language of resistance suddenly opens to those who are most vulnerable to painful retribution the possibility of creating a new community. As the conviction of solidarity grows, parochial issues and aspirations merge imperceptibly with a compelling national agenda which only a short time before may have been the dream of only a few. For many Americans colonists this moment occurred late in the spring of 1774." -- T.H. Breen, The Marketplace of Revolution

    Will there be a repeat of this phenomenon here in the next year or two? People are talking. A poll released last week discussed something like 28% of the polled thought that there would be a need for a revolution in the next few years. Breen, in another book, discusses the concept that there came a point when the colonists decided, individually first, then collectively, that violence was an acceptable method of creating the change they sought. This wasn't a top down process, it was a result of people becoming exposed to the sufferings of their neighbors in other colonies and their own personal discomfort. In short, the Parliament pushed them too far. There are clear comparisons that can be drawn from the years leading up to 1774 and the actions of our servants in DC today. They push us unrelentingly. They despise us and mock us. The waste our life energy and they plan on continuing with our children. Will we take this forever? Should we?

    I guess that's the real question with all of this. Should we?
    Maybe the real intent is to try and goad the .gov to try and intervene in good guy territory (Virginia). After all getting together for the open carry of firearms is completely legal in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

    Perhaps VCDL needs to assemble on the Virginia side to ensure that .gov does not try to infringe on the rights of free men (and women) in the Commonwealth.

    This would also make the .gov very unhappy because they would not know who in Alexandria was an intruder (intruder = DC partygoer) and who was a defender.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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