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    This guy should not be in uniform

    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/206239491.html

    He's stealing money from a guy who just took it out of the ATM!

    Edit: I should have watched the video first. Shame on me. *waits impatiently for the full video*
    Last edited by protias; 05-06-2013 at 01:25 PM.
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    I'd better subscribe for updates as this seems pertinent to my interests.

    Of course, there could be a reasonable explanation - the video itself lacks any context. It could simply be a consensual financial transaction between the two parties.

    The news station sensationalizing a more dubious act is just standard procedure to attract viewers. I am curious to find out what they "uncovered" ...so their strategy seems to have worked.

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    Looks like two officers visiting an ATM to get some cash, one in uniform one not.
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    maybe one guy owed another guy some money ... duh.

    until more is known, that's what i see

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    As others have said, all based on a teaser to get you to tune in? The guy paying out doesn't look to be under obvious duress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/206239491.html

    He's stealing money from a guy who just took it out of the ATM!
    Says who? Until the full story is played we can't come to any conclusion. There could be a zillion explanations, many of them benign.

    I'm a little surprised at you, Protias. You've been around enough to know not to get your bowels in an uproar over something the media puts out until you know all the facts.

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    I should have watched the video first. Shame on me. *waits impatiently for the full video*
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRgJl...ature=youtu.be

    Chief Flynn describes the details of what happened and it certainly sounds like a legitimate transaction of restitution between two other consenting parties mediated by the officer.

    Haven't seen the actual media story, but my suspicion is that the teaser was negligently misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/206239491.html

    He's stealing money from a guy who just took it out of the ATM!

    Edit: I should have watched the video first. Shame on me. *waits impatiently for the full video*
    Darn straight:

    It turns out the man was a Marine. The cop helped him out when the Marine broke a taxi window.

    The report showed the cab driver did not want to press charges and only wanted the Marine to pay him back for the damages. The report said the “officer indicated he did not keep any of the money.”


    This is a good lesson for all of us. Don't go jumping to conclusions until you have all the facts.

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    Without coming down too hard on the OP, the setup on this video just seemed too juicy for them to be dangling it out there like a carrot vs running it immediately as 'Breaking News'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetiman View Post
    Without coming down too hard on the OP, the setup on this video just seemed too juicy for them to be dangling it out there like a carrot vs running it immediately as 'Breaking News'.
    The media is not our friend. We can't be making snap judgements on tidbits they use to entice the sheep.

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    what does this have to do with OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites
    The media is not our friend.
    Yeah. What he said.
    Yes, the video looked a little odd, what with the officer putting in the numbers, taking the money, etc. from the other guy's card.
    But it turns out that he used good judgment & solved a problem w/o creating more paperwork.
    Good for him.
    Last edited by MKEgal; 05-07-2013 at 09:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    Yeah. What he said.
    Yes, the video looked a little odd, what with the officer putting in the numbers, taking the money, etc. from the other guy's card.
    But it turns out that he used good judgment & solved a problem w/o creating more paperwork.
    Good for him.
    I've taken [non-violent] arrestees to ATM's so they could get money to post bond. My agency allows for this in some cases. An offender can only spend so much time in a holding cell waiting for someone to bring money. After that they have to be taken to CJF. Which means the officer may have to wait hours down there waiting for the subject to be medically cleared and accepted by the booking staff down there. It also means a court officer will have to go down to intake court in the morning and sit and wait half the day for the judge to let the guy go on a signature bond. It's a lot of time and tax payer money wasted when a 5 minute escort to an ATM can end it quickly.

    This, of course, is only for minor offenses when the offender is cooperative. (Like when a Flatlander get's pinched for DC and has to post before he can be released).

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    WTMJ apologizes, issues retraction for alleging MPD officer misconduct


    Let's all take a lesson from this. The media is not our friend, it's not anyones friend except the extreme left. The media is completely full of fecal matter.

    Also, too many of us on these boards are too quick to want to attack law enforcement and therefore believe the crap the media is spewing. A majority of street cops [especially me!] are on our side in the defense of gun owner/carry rights. While nobody is perfect and some may have to be educated to get them to understand the error of their positions, most police officers are in agreement with us and conduct themselves in a legal, constitutional manner. When there is a flaw with the law the ire needs to be directed at those who write the laws, not those who enforce them. In a republic there are avenues to correct bad laws. It works slowly, but it works well. And when cops are actually bad they need to be held accountable. Fake stories like this make it harder to nail cops that actually screw up because it waters down all claims!!

    99.9[infinity]% of the laws us peace officers enforce are proper. Please work to correct the small percentage of laws that need to be changed. This is a better use of energy than to waste it hating cops!

    The police officer in that news story did nothing improper. He got the taxi driver the money to fix the window and allowed the other man the chance to make good and avoid a criminal charge. Everyones happy and the taxpayers saved money on jail/court costs/police overtime.

    That story was crap from the beginning. Learn from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    maybe one guy owed another guy some money ... duh.

    until more is known, that's what i see
    seems as if I was correct.

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    Bad media ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites View Post
    WTMJ apologizes, issues retraction for alleging MPD officer misconduct


    Let's all take a lesson from this. The media is not our friend, it's not anyones friend except the extreme left. The media is completely full of fecal matter.

    Also, too many of us on these boards are too quick to want to attack law enforcement and therefore believe the crap the media is spewing. A majority of street cops [especially me!] are on our side in the defense of gun owner/carry rights. While nobody is perfect and some may have to be educated to get them to understand the error of their positions, most police officers are in agreement with us and conduct themselves in a legal, constitutional manner. When there is a flaw with the law the ire needs to be directed at those who write the laws, not those who enforce them. In a republic there are avenues to correct bad laws. It works slowly, but it works well. And when cops are actually bad they need to be held accountable. Fake stories like this make it harder to nail cops that actually screw up because it waters down all claims!!

    99.9[infinity]% of the laws us peace officers enforce are proper. Please work to correct the small percentage of laws that need to be changed. This is a better use of energy than to waste it hating cops!

    The police officer in that news story did nothing improper. He got the taxi driver the money to fix the window and allowed the other man the chance to make good and avoid a criminal charge. Everyones happy and the taxpayers saved money on jail/court costs/police overtime.

    That story was crap from the beginning. Learn from this.
    It is always a education issue with bad cops. Well, who decides when a cop is "actually bad"?

    I'll tell you, cops, cuz a citizen can't go off half cocked and misapply a law, or enforce a opinion and ruin a cops life for some undetermined amount of time. Take food of a LACs table so that the LAC, via legal fees, places food on the table of a lawyer. All we have is a law suit, that cost money in a typically vain attempt to educate a bad cop.

    Everybody already knows where we need to go to get "bad laws" fixed. That is not the issue, cops who misapply a good law or enforce egregiously unconstitutional laws is the issue. Where do we go to fix undereducated cops or, more importantly, uneducateable cops......yepper, the cops.

    The Thin Blue Line is an impenetrable bulwark that protects cops, who refuse to educate themselves, from being held accountable under the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    It is always a education issue with bad cops. Well, who decides when a cop is "actually bad"?

    I'll tell you, cops, cuz a citizen can't go off half cocked and misapply a law, or enforce a opinion and ruin a cops life for some undetermined amount of time. Take food of a LACs table so that the LAC, via legal fees, places food on the table of a lawyer. All we have is a law suit, that cost money in a typically vain attempt to educate a bad cop.

    Everybody already knows where we need to go to get "bad laws" fixed. That is not the issue, cops who misapply a good law or enforce egregiously unconstitutional laws is the issue. Where do we go to fix undereducated cops or, more importantly, uneducateable cops......yepper, the cops.

    The Thin Blue Line is an impenetrable bulwark that protects cops, who refuse to educate themselves, from being held accountable under the law.
    But that isn't the overall lesson to be learned today.

    This entire thread was started because a media source insinuated a police officer was doing something shady, and used it as a teaser to get people to watch their newscast. The OP believed the media source and jumped on the band wagon to accuse the officer of wrong doing.

    The lesson is, do not trust the media on anything until you have verified what they are saying is true.

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    Believe nothing read or heard without verifying it oneself unless it fits ones pre-existing world-view .
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites View Post
    But that isn't the overall lesson to be learned today.

    This entire thread was started because a media source insinuated a police officer was doing something shady, and used it as a teaser to get people to watch their newscast. The OP believed the media source and jumped on the band wagon to accuse the officer of wrong doing.

    The lesson is, do not trust the media on anything until you have verified what they are saying is true.
    The overall lesson learned is that video alone does not always tell the whole story (truth), but we all should know this already. I did not address the overall lesson to be learned. I addressed your comments and clearly indicated such.

    As to the op, that cop did what he thought was the right thing and his boss agreed with his actions, the wronged party was made whole, non-issue in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Believe nothing read or heard without verifying it oneself unless it fits ones pre-existing world-view .
    To whom do we turn to verify if we are not a witness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    To whom do we turn to verify if we are not a witness?
    You are in a tough spot if empirical verification is required. What do you believe of quantum mechanics?
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Believe nothing read or heard without verifying it oneself unless it fits ones pre-existing world-view .
    Uh....you mandated (recommended) the verification. I'm just asking where do we go to verify.

    BTW. Big Foot, or Big Feets for plural, has not been proven to not exist. In fact there is more evidence to the contrary. The only thing the Big Foot/Feets "deniers" have is "well, I ain't seen one, so Big Foot/Feets ain't real."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Believe nothing read or heard without verifying it oneself unless it fits ones pre-existing world-view .
    Pot. Meet kettle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    You are in a tough spot if empirical verification is required.
    If real world validation is required to make a decision, other than the racists voting for obama solely due to his skin color, well, the democrat party wouldn't exist.
    And this former nation wouldn't be in the unrecoverable, liberal/progressive downward death spiral that it is in. Hard to argue that one, unless one believes "that increasing the debt limit won't increase the debt" (obamaclown).....

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