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    OC and CC at The Same Time?

    This may be a stupid question and/or covered somewhere else.

    While waiting for my VA/UT/FL permits to come in I have been OC in Virginia. Utah permit has a rule that you can only conceal one gun. Have not been able to determine what VA and FL regs are.

    My question is this - is it legal to OC your primary and CC a BUG


    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    This may be a stupid question and/or covered somewhere else.

    While waiting for my VA/UT/FL permits to come in I have been OC in Virginia. Utah permit has a rule that you can only conceal one gun. Have not been able to determine what VA and FL regs are.

    My question is this - is it legal to OC your primary and CC a BUG


    Thanks in advance.
    In VA yes, if you have a CHP. Of course you're subject to whatever laws are relevent for your exact location and activities, for instance the restriction on consuming alcohol while CC.

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    Not a stupid question. Once I can save up a few bucks I intend to get a BUG and carry it in addition to my OC.

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    This would seem to be an interesting case where a Utah permit would allow you to do something in Virginia that it would not allow you to do in Utah.

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    Each gun one carries must pass the test of legality.

    With a permit, OC or CC as many or as few as you wish.

    No permit, OC one or several.

    There are those that will remember 3 Gun Kim, think she carried 5 once as a light hearted test.
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    OC and CC at The Same Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    This may be a stupid question and/or covered somewhere else.

    While waiting for my VA/UT/FL permits to come in I have been OC in Virginia. Utah permit has a rule that you can only conceal one gun. Have not been able to determine what VA and FL regs are.

    My question is this - is it legal to OC your primary and CC a BUG


    Thanks in advance.
    Utah's permit has no restriction on the number of weapons concealed nor does the permit limit one to firearms only!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Each gun one carries must pass the test of legality.

    With a permit, OC or CC as many or as few as you wish.

    No permit, OC one or several.

    There are those that will remember 3 Gun Kim, think she carried 5 once as a light hearted test.
    There was a thread several years ago where user outlined the law on this question:

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ly-one-handgun

    Specifically, he cites 1-227 to outline how legal language is not the same as normal language:
    1-227. Number.
    A word used in the singular includes the plural and a word used in the
    plural includes the singular.
    His post is the best answer anyone could give on the subject. You might also want to check Utah law's definitions, because it's likely that they have a similar statute defining the difference between singular and plural words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Utah's permit has no restriction on the number of weapons concealed nor does the permit limit one to firearms only!
    The Utah permit is a good one - one is in my wallet. The original Va. permit (CWP) and corresponding law was better in some ways than what we have now.

    Still with Utah or Va. permit one must obey the laws of the state in which they are standing at that precise moment and the question was directed at Virginia requirments/restrictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    Utah permit has a rule that you can only conceal one gun. .

    Says who?
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    The instructor at the class I took. He made a big deal about "when you get your permit that doesn't allow you to carry one in the waist, one in an ankle holster, etc..."

    My fault for not researching the statute myself.

    Thanks for all the info, good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    The instructor at the class I took. He made a big deal about "when you get your permit that doesn't allow you to carry one in the waist, one in an ankle holster, etc..."

    My fault for not researching the statute myself.

    Thanks for all the info, good stuff.
    Your instructor is spewing fallout from the rotating feces oscalator.

    I can guarantee it was not ProShooter - he knows the laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    The instructor at the class I took. He made a big deal about "when you get your permit that doesn't allow you to carry one in the waist, one in an ankle holster, etc..."

    My fault for not researching the statute myself.

    Thanks for all the info, good stuff.
    The Utah folks might be interested to know about that. They seem to take the content of their training courses very seriously.

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    The instructor at the class I took. He made a big deal about "when you get your permit that doesn't allow you to carry one in the waist, one in an ankle holster, etc..."
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    Oh, I would love to know who that was!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Your instructor is spewing fallout from the rotating feces oscalator.

    I can guarantee it was not ProShooter - he knows the laws.
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    OC & CC at the same time

    Not a problem here in VA.... as long as you have your CHP. I do it all the time. My OC weapon is a golden oldie/blast from the past, a Ruger police service 6 357 that I purchased back in 1977. My CC bug, not saying where it is concealed, is a Springfied XD40 subcompact. I've been stopped by LEO's in the past, last time was over 2 years ago, and have never had an issue with them.

    *edited* to reflect the fact that I've only been OCing for about 4 months now. Always been CC before that. Much prefer OC but I just can't get away from my little XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The Utah permit is a good one - one is in my wallet. The original Va. permit (CWP) and corresponding law was better in some ways than what we have now.

    Still with Utah or Va. permit one must obey the laws of the state in which they are standing at that precise moment and the question was directed at Virginia requirments/restrictions.
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    Hot damn! Walked out to the mailbox this evening to find my Utah permit. When I called a few weeks ago they said that it would be mailed around the 12th (60 days from when they cashed my check) and that I should receive it 5-7 days later.


    I will be OC'ing my primary with a S&W .380 BUG in the vest while working in Merrifield tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    Hot damn! Walked out to the mailbox this evening to find my Utah permit. When I called a few weeks ago they said that it would be mailed around the 12th (60 days from when they cashed my check) and that I should receive it 5-7 days later.


    I will be OC'ing my primary with a S&W .380 BUG in the vest while working in Merrifield tomorrow.
    You haven't told us yet where you took your Utah class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    Hot damn! Walked out to the mailbox this evening to find my Utah permit. When I called a few weeks ago they said that it would be mailed around the 12th (60 days from when they cashed my check) and that I should receive it 5-7 days later.


    I will be OC'ing my primary with a S&W .380 BUG in the vest while working in Merrifield tomorrow.
    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    You haven't told us yet where you took your Utah class.
    Ha ha ha, I think YOU just did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    Hot damn! Walked out to the mailbox this evening to find my Utah permit. When I called a few weeks ago they said that it would be mailed around the 12th (60 days from when they cashed my check) and that I should receive it 5-7 days later.

    I will be OC'ing my primary with a S&W .380 BUG in the vest while working in Merrifield tomorrow.
    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    You haven't told us yet where you took your Utah class.
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    Ha ha ha, I think YOU just did!
    It wasn't ProShooter - not with the bad information the Stoveman got from his instructor! See earlier post in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    It wasn't ProShooter - not with the bad information the Stoveman got from his instructor! See earlier post in this thread.
    Ahh... I think you may be right. I overlooked that earlier bit of info!

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    MMTA.

    Class taken in Frederick, MD, although they offer classes in a variety of places around NoVa and MD.

    One of my employees found the class and I took it with him.

    I did enjoy the class, and the people who ran it did a very good job. Other than the instructor being incorrect about not being able to carry more than one gun, that is. There were about 75 people (with quite a few women) in the class and they got everyone's pictures taken quickly, had plenty of help for those who were apparently challenged by putting their proper particulars on the forms, etc..

    Instructor did have a personal bias against OC and admitted it as such, so I can respect that. It was a concealed carry class after all. I like to listen with an open mind, make my own decisions and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    MMTA.

    Class taken in Frederick, MD, although they offer classes in a variety of places around NoVa and MD.

    One of my employees found the class and I took it with him.

    I did enjoy the class, and the people who ran it did a very good job. Other than the instructor being incorrect about not being able to carry more than one gun, that is. There were about 75 people (with quite a few women) in the class and they got everyone's pictures taken quickly, had plenty of help for those who were apparently challenged by putting their proper particulars on the forms, etc..

    Instructor did have a personal bias against OC and admitted it as such, so I can respect that. It was a concealed carry class after all. I like to listen with an open mind, make my own decisions and move on.
    I guess that I have to ask the question that others are probably considering....how do you know that the instructor did a good job? Meaning, now you know that you were given incorrect information about lawful carry of multiple weapons. Perhaps there are other things said that were also incorrect and I'm just wondering how you would know that or not if you haven't yet "fact checked" other things that you were told.

    It would seem that taking a class required for issuing a weapons permit would require that the instructor be correct about **everything** that he/she claims as a legal requirement or as being unlawful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Says who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
    The instructor at the class I took.
    Probably an MD LEO.
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